Supreme Court upholds birthright citizenship

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I don't need coaching, thanks.

Then make the argument yourself.

I said "the plain words of the ruling." I've read the ruling. Have you?

Held: Children born in the United States to parents unlawfully or temporarily present are “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States and are citizens at birth under the Fourteenth Amendment’s Citizenship Clause.

Yes.

I am not denying what the Court held.

I am denying that what the Court held is constitutionally sound.

Those are not the same thing. Courts can be wrong. A ruling can be binding under current law and still be wrong as a matter of constitutional meaning, let alone at an ethical level.

Your rejection of the legal interpretation of the law by the Supreme Court majority is duly noted.

Correct.

I reject the majority’s interpretation.

If your argument is simply “the Supreme Court said it, therefore it is correct,” then that is judicial supremacy, not constitutional reasoning.

when the Supreme Court says clearly, above, "The Citizenship Clause must be understood in light of its historical context."

Fine.

But saying “historical context” does not end the debate. The question is whether the Court applied that history correctly.

The first-principles issue remains the same: citizenship is political membership. It is not merely the legal consequence of being born in the right geographic location.

Here's some history. U.S. v. Kim Wong Ark (1898) makes it clear that it's further supporting the already existing historical context:

"So far as we are informed, there is no authority, legislative, executive or judicial, in England or America, which maintains or intimates that the statutes…have superseded or restricted, in any respect, the established rule of citizenship by birth within the dominion. Even those authorities in this country, which have gone the farthest towards holding such statutes to be but declaratory of the common law have distinctly recognized and emphatically asserted the citizenship of native-born children of foreign parents."

That doesn't answer the core question.

What does it mean to be born not merely within American territory, but “subject to the jurisdiction thereof"?

If “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means nothing more than “American law applies to you while you are physically present,” then the phrase adds almost nothing. Illegal aliens, tourists, foreign students, enemy spies, and invading soldiers are all subject to American law in various ways while here. That does NOT make them members of the American political community.

And that's exactly the problem.

Your position, and the Court’s position, makes geography decisive. My position is that citizenship should follow political jurisdiction in the full sense: allegiance, membership, and subjection to the American political order (ie, assimilation).

So let's start there.

Fine. Let’s start there.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

So what does this ruling do?

It turns unlawful or temporary presence into a citizenship-producing event.

A foreigner can enter unlawfully, or come temporarily, have a child on American soil, leave, raise that child entirely under another nation, another culture, another moral framework, and another allegiance, and that child is still treated as an American citizen for life.

Again, that's not a serious understanding of citizenship.

The ruling incentivizes birth tourism. It incentivizes illegal entry by pregnant aliens. It incentivizes visa abuse. It creates future immigration leverage for the parents. And it treats people with no real attachment to the American nation as Americans simply because American police had authority over the hospital room at the moment of birth.

That is what the system does.

Do you deny that the ruling creates those incentives and effects? Or do you admit that it does, but believe those consequences are required because you think the 14th Amendment demands them?
 

annabenedetti

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If “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” means nothing more than “American law applies to you while you are physically present,” then the phrase adds almost nothing. Illegal aliens, tourists, foreign students, enemy spies, and invading soldiers are all subject to American law in various ways while here. That does NOT make them members of the American political community.

Categorical error there, tossing invading soldiers into the group.

Your position, and the Court’s position

I like that.

, makes geography decisive. My position is that citizenship should follow political jurisdiction in the full sense: allegiance, membership, and subjection to the American political order (ie, assimilation).

You're wrong. Citizenship was never about assimilation. You want to make it so, but then you've got a whole thread (with many words!) hashing out an idea of monarchy that was never and will never be the United States.

Again, that's not a serious understanding of citizenship.

It doesn't get more serious than the Supreme Court. Maybe don't forget we're not the experts here.

The ruling incentivizes birth tourism

No official source even has numbers for this idea. It's the pet project of people who are anti-immigration. The only number out there is from a questionable source. It's not enough to put a dent in established law.

And it treats people with no real attachment to the American nation

That's your value judgment.

as Americans simply because American police had authority over the hospital room at the moment of birth.

Do you deny that the ruling creates those incentives and effects? Or do you admit that it does, but believe those consequences are required because you think the 14th Amendment demands them?

Why have rightists abandoned the Constitution?

The ruling affirms what is already Constitutional law. I'm for the Constitution.
 
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Categorical error there, tossing invading soldiers into the group.

Fine. Remove “invading soldiers” if that bothers you.

The point remains.

Illegal aliens, tourists, foreign students, temporary workers, foreign criminals, and foreign nationals arriving unlawfully by boat are all subject to American law while physically present here. That does not make them members of the American political community.

There have been repeated reports and interdictions of groups of foreign nationals arriving by boat, including military-aged men of various nationalities. Whether you call that “invasion” or “unlawful maritime entry” does not change the principle: physical presence under U.S. law is not the same thing as political membership in the United States.

The question remains: does “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean ordinary territorial law-enforcement jurisdiction, or full political jurisdiction in the citizenship sense?

Citizenship was never about assimilation.

Citizenship is absolutely about membership in a political community.

Assimilation is not the technical mechanism by which a newborn becomes a citizen. Obviously an infant is not “assimilated” at the moment of birth. But citizenship assumes membership in a people, allegiance to a political order, and incorporation into that nation’s civic life. If someone has no intention of becoming American, no intention of assimilating, no lawful claim to remain, and no real attachment to the American way of life or her people, then why should physical birth location alone create citizenship?

Your view makes geography decisive. My view makes political membership decisive.
 

annabenedetti

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Fine. Remove “invading soldiers” if that bothers you.

Has nothing to do with bothering me. It's simply fact.

The point remains.

Illegal aliens, tourists, foreign students, temporary workers, foreign criminals, and foreign nationals arriving unlawfully by boat are all subject to American law while physically present here. That does not make them members of the American political community.

There have been repeated reports and interdictions of groups of foreign nationals arriving by boat, including military-aged men of various nationalities. Whether you call that “invasion” or “unlawful maritime entry” does not change the principle: physical presence under U.S. law is not the same thing as political membership in the United States.

The question remains: does “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” mean ordinary territorial law-enforcement jurisdiction, or full political jurisdiction in the citizenship sense?



Citizenship is absolutely about membership in a political community.

Assimilation is not the technical mechanism by which a newborn becomes a citizen. Obviously an infant is not “assimilated” at the moment of birth. But citizenship assumes membership in a people, allegiance to a political order, and incorporation into that nation’s civic life. If someone has no intention of becoming American, no intention of assimilating, no lawful claim to remain, and no real attachment to the American way of life or her people, then why should physical birth location alone create citizenship?

Your view makes geography decisive. My view makes political membership decisive.


Assimilation is not a thing you measure before you assign citizenship.

The question doesn't remain. It's already been answered.
 

annabenedetti

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TRUMP v. BARBARA

Syllabus

Pp. 2–9.


(1) Under the English common law, children “born within the [sovereign’s] dominions” owed a natural “allegiance” to the sovereign who
protected them at birth, 1 W. Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 354, 356 (Blackstone), regardless of how “momentary and
uncertain” their presence, Calvin’s Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1a, 6a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377, 384. Such children were therefore “natural-born subject.”
Doe v. Jones, 4 T. R. 300, 308, 100 Eng. Rep. 1031, 1035. The same rule applied to children born of parents subject to expulsion. See, e.g.,
4 Blackstone 166. The rule’s exceptions were narrow: children born in lands the sovereign did not control, children born in areas temporarily
outside the sovereign’s control, and children of foreign ministers (by a fiction of extraterritoriality). Calvin’s Case, 7 Co. Rep., at 18a–18b, 77
Eng. Rep., at 399.

This common law of citizenship—known as jus soli, or right of the soil—crossed the Atlantic and prevailed in “each and all of the states”
after American independence. 2 J. Kent, Commentaries on American Law 39, n. a (Kent). The rule was applied even to the novel situation
of quasi-sovereign Indian tribes, who maintained “dominion” of their own such that Indians born under those dominions were not “citizens” but members of “alien and sovereign tribes.” Goodell v. Jackson ex dem. Smith, 20 Johns. 693, 714–715 (N. Y. Ct. Corr. Errors). In amNation of immigrants, jus soli’s broad scope took on particular importance, assuring that children of foreigners—including those here on a “temporary sojourn,” Lynch v. Clarke, 1 Sand. Ch. 583, 638, 663–664 (N. Y. Ch.)—would be American citizens by birth alone. Pp. 2–6.

(2) In Dred Scott v. Sandford, the Court departed from the common law and adopted the view that blood, not soil, determined citizenship; it held that those descended from slaves could not be citizens. 19 How., at 419. The decision was met with shock, see D. Potter, The Impending Crisis, 1848–1861, p. 281; 3 Writings of Abraham Lincoln 55, and abolitionists swore to undo what the Court had done, see 2 Life and Writings of Frederick Douglass 259, 415, 424. Pp. 6–8.

(3) In the midst of the Civil War, Attorney General Edward Bates issued a landmark opinion citing key authorities, including Calvin’s Case and Kent’s Commentaries, rejecting the premise that “citizenship is ever hereditary,” and declaring that “every person born in the country is, at the moment of birth, prima facie a citizen, . . . without any reference to race or color.” 10 Op. Atty Gen. 382, 394, 399. The exceptions were “few”—“the small and admitted class of the natural-born composed of the children of foreign ministers and the like.” Id., at 397.

Following the war, Congress sought to turn Bates’s opinion into law by enacting the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which made citizens of “all
persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power,Cite as: 609 U. S. ___ (2026) excluding Indians not taxed.” §1, 14 Stat. 27. The Act was simply assumed to invoke the common law rule. See Cong. Globe, 39th Cong.,1st Sess., 1116 (Rep. Wilson); id., at 1832 (Rep. Lawrence). Pp. 8–9.

(b) What the Civil Rights Act began, the Fourteenth Amendment, and its repudiation of Dred Scott, would finish. Pp. 9–12.

(1) The Fourteenth Amendment’s Citizenship Clause mirrored the common law’s criteria for citizenship, starting with territory (a child must be “born . . . in the United States”) and ending with sovereign power (a child must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States). A child born on American soil and subject to American law was made an American citizen. Even the language of the Clause is that of the common law, echoing cases and treatises that described the common law rule. See, e.g., Lynch, 1 Sand. Ch., at 668; Kent 38 and n.a. And its principal author explained that its language was “simply declaratory of . . . the law of the land already.” Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 2890 (Sen. Howard). Pp. 9–10.

(2) The Citizenship Clause’s key phrase—“subject to the jurisdiction”—refers to the power of the United States to govern those within
its territory. N. Webster, An American Dictionary of the English Language 732 (def. “jurisdiction”); J. Worcester, Dictionary of the English
Language 1435 (def. “subject”). The scope of that power was settled largely by Schooner Exchange v. McFaddon, 7 Cranch 116, where
Chief Justice Marshall explained that “jurisdiction” referred to “the full and complete power of a nation within its own territories,” “sus-
ceptible of no limitation not imposed” by the nation itself. Id., at 136. The narrow exceptions to jurisdiction arose where exercising jurisdic-
tion would “degrade the dignity” of “foreign sovereigns”—most frequently in the case of “foreign ministers.” Id., at 136–139. But private
individuals who traveled to the United States for “business or caprice” were “amenable to the jurisdiction of the country.” Id., at 144. Children born in the United States to parents unlawfully or temporarily present here are thus subject to the Nation’s jurisdiction. Pp. 10–12.

(c) The Court’s precedent in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S. 649, confirms this rule. Pp. 13–16.

(1) For nearly two decades after the Amendment’s ratification, the Executive Branch viewed the Citizenship Clause as “simply an affir-
mance of the common law,” with the limited exception of “the children of foreign ministers,” and others “with rights of extraterritoriality.”
Memorandum of Secretary of State H. Fish to Mr. Marsh (May 19,1871), in 2 Digest of the International Law of the United States §183,
p. 394. But the end of the Reconstruction era brought uncertainty. Around that time, the State Department began to deny citizenship to
those with “dual or doubtful allegiance,” id., at 402, and several scholars proposed a new international-law based theory of the Citizenship
Clause, focused on the parents’ status, not the child’s, F. Wharton, Conflict of Laws §10, p. 35. Only if a child’s parents were “domiciled
in the United States” was the child “internationally subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,” as the Citizenship Clause (they said) required. Id., §12, at 41–42 (emphasis added). Acknowledging that the common law took a different view, these writers insisted that jus soli had not been made part of the Constitution. Pp. 13–14.

(2) In Wong Kim Ark, the Court held that the Fourteenth Amendment was “declaratory” of the “fundamental rule of citizenship by birth” that prevailed at common law, 169 U. S., at 688, excluding only those recognized as exempt “from the jurisdiction of this country”—the “children of ambassadors” and those born in the nations of Indian tribes, id., at 675, 681–683, 693. All others were citizens at birth, whether born to permanent residents or temporary visitors. See id., at 676, 687–688. The Court wrote that the words “ ‘subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ ” “must be presumed to have been understood . . . in the same sense” as Chief Justice Marshall used them in Schooner Exchange. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U. S., at 687. Under that understanding, aliens who traveled to the United States for “business or pleasure” received no “exemption from the jurisdiction of the country.” Id., at 686. To the contrary, they were subject to that jurisdiction for as long as they remained here—and any children born to them were American citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. See id., at 682–688. Pp. 14–16.

d) Arguments for limiting birthright citizenship to those domiciled in the United States fail. These arguments err in their definition of “allegiance,” contending that natural allegiance was no longer sufficient for citizenship and that some greater quantum of allegiance (based on domicile) was required. There is scant evidence for this dramatically revisionist view; sources from 1776 to 1868 defined “allegiance by birth” just as the British did—as “the tie or duty” owed by one who is “born within the dominions and under the protection of a particular sovereign.” Inglis v. Trustees of Sailor’s Snug Harbour in City of New York, 3 Pet. 99, 155.

Domicile and national citizenship are distinct concepts; one who establishes a domicile in a new country does not automatically become a
citizen thereof, nor does he automatically lose his prior citizenship.

The congressional debates over the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Fourteenth Amendment confirm the common law rule. Statements
embracing the common law rule were far more frequent and explicit than ambiguous references to “temporary sojourners.” See, e.g., Cong.
Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess., 1117. For a Congress intent on putting the question of citizenship “once and forever [to] rest,” Cong. Globe,
42d Cong., 1st Sess. 575, a domicile-based qualification would haveCite as: 609 U. S. ___ (2026) introduced significant uncertainty. Yet the word “domicile” appears just twice in the discussion of the relevant provision of the Civil Rights Act, see Cong. Globe, 39th Cong., 1st Sess. 1160; id., at 1117, and in only one speech from the Citizenship Clause debates, see id., at 3031–3032. Sources from after the ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment do not put in doubt the understanding of the Citizenship Clause at the time of (and after) its ratification. In any case, postenactment
history cannot override the text. If Congress intended to limit American citizenship to the children of those domiciled in the United States, nothing in the succinct language of the Citizenship Clause conveyed that design; words appearing frequently in the Executive Order— “mother,” “father,” “lawful,” “temporary”—are absent from the Clause.

Attempts to narrow Wong Kim Ark by noting that the Court’s opinion repeatedly referred to the domicile of Wong’s parents fail because
the holding’s underlying reasoning cannot be squared with a domicile requirement; the Court exhaustively canvassed the text and history of
the Citizenship Clause and at no point identified any evidence that the ratifiers thought themselves to be imposing a domicile limitation.
Pp. 17–26.

Affirmed.

ROBERTS, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which SOTOMAYOR, KAGAN, BARRETT, and JACKSON, JJ., joined. JACKSON, J.,
filed a concurring opinion, in which SOTOMAYOR, J., joined as to the introduction and Part I. KAVANAUGH, J., filed an opinion concurring in the
judgment and dissenting in part. THOMAS, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which GORSUCH, J., joined. ALITO, J., and GORSUCH, J., filed dissenting opinions.
 
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Assimilation is not a thing you measure before you assign citizenship.

Assimilation IS measured.

Maybe not with a ruler or a clipboard in every case, but it is measured.

It is measured by whether someone understands and can speak the national language. It is measured by whether he adapts to the culture. It is measured by whether he integrates into the surrounding society rather than merely occupying space inside its borders.

And no, a newborn does not personally do any of that.

But a newborn is born into a family.

That family is either part of the American political community or it is not. The parents are either citizens or non-citizens. They are either here lawfully with a real claim to remain, or they are here unlawfully or temporarily. They either intend to become American in a meaningful sense, or they are simply using American soil to obtain a legal benefit. A child born to citizens has the connection needed to justly call him a citizen: he is born into a family that already belongs to the American political community.

So why should the soil under the hospital bed override the political status of the family in cases where the parents are not citizens?

It's already been answered.

The answer doesn't satisfy the first-principles issue.

I know what the Court said. The question is whether the Court’s answer is constitutionally sound and whether it gives a serious account of citizenship as political membership.

It is not.
It does not.

If foreigners come here temporarily, or unlawfully, have no real attachment to the American people, no intent to assimilate, no lawful claim to remain, and then have a baby here, why should that child automatically become a citizen merely because of where the birth occurred?

Your position makes geography decisive over a person who doesn't even know what "geography" means.

My position makes political membership decisive, beginning with the one society a newborn actually does know: his family and the love they have for him. And that family either does, or does not, have an attachment to the American political community.
 

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So why should the soil under the hospital bed override the political status of the family in cases where the parents are not citizens?

Because the Constitution says it does.

The question is whether the Court’s answer is constitutionally sound

The answer is that it is Constitutionally sound. The Supreme Court laid out its reasoning, the history and precedent behind it, and made its ruling. That's how it works in this country. You're free to disagree with it the ruling, you're free to disagree with the law, but that won't change the fact that the Court has once again affirmed settled law.

Your position

is in line with the Constitution.

My position

is not.
 
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