ECT Summary of Mt 24 and parallels

Interplanner

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Summary of Mt 24 & //s and the 1st century

As originally written, Mt 24 & //s is about that generation following Jesus. To summarize again what I see:

*the warning is that Judaizers would whip Israel into a messanic frenzy and wish to take on Rome. They would believe they had God's help doing so (the revolt, not the frenzy!).
*Christ and the apostles hoped all Israel would become missionaries to the ends of the earth and not attempt to take on a freedom fight against Rome
*the conflict was foretold in Dan 9; the one official quote of Dan 9 in the NT is here in this setting
*the end of the world was expected 'immediately after' this mistaken messanic war, with the allowance that only the Father knew the end
*the revolt failed miserably; over a million perished; there was maternal cannibalism
*the end did not come
*2 Peter 3 explains the delay of the end in the same terms--it is up to the Father. There is nothing Judaistic about Peter's depiction of the future, as with other didactic passages such as I Cor. 15 or Heb. 9. The other didactic passage about antichrist (I John 2 and 4) not only says it was in the last days but the last hour.
*Revelation is about this same conflict in the hope that Israel would believe and become missionaries. It was written about things which would happen very soon. Gentry, Bray, Adams and Van Meter are among those who have shown how Revelation has to do with the 1st century Judean conflict.
*we are in this same situation of delay and mission today.

[It can help to realize that there are times when Jesus here used the term 'ges' (world, earth) for the land of Israel. Mt 5 for ex., his believers are salt
of the land of Israel, preserving it (from conflict). The material is very linked and connected to the 1st century Judea, as seen by Mt 24:2, 15, 26 (the temple's inner rooms); these events are said to be the punishment in fulfillment of all that is written, Lk. 21, which is a sweeping declaration).
 

iamaberean

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Summary of Mt 24 & //s and the 1st century

As originally written, Mt 24 & //s is about that generation following Jesus. To summarize again what I see:

*the warning is that Judaizers would whip Israel into a messanic frenzy and wish to take on Rome. They would believe they had God's help doing so (the revolt, not the frenzy!).
*Christ and the apostles hoped all Israel would become missionaries to the ends of the earth and not attempt to take on a freedom fight against Rome
*the conflict was foretold in Dan 9; the one official quote of Dan 9 in the NT is here in this setting
*the end of the world was expected 'immediately after' this mistaken messanic war, with the allowance that only the Father knew the end
*the revolt failed miserably; over a million perished; there was maternal cannibalism
*the end did not come
*2 Peter 3 explains the delay of the end in the same terms--it is up to the Father. There is nothing Judaistic about Peter's depiction of the future, as with other didactic passages such as I Cor. 15 or Heb. 9. The other didactic passage about antichrist (I John 2 and 4) not only says it was in the last days but the last hour.
*Revelation is about this same conflict in the hope that Israel would believe and become missionaries. It was written about things which would happen very soon. Gentry, Bray, Adams and Van Meter are among those who have shown how Revelation has to do with the 1st century Judean conflict.
*we are in this same situation of delay and mission today.

[It can help to realize that there are times when Jesus here used the term 'ges' (world, earth) for the land of Israel. Mt 5 for ex., his believers are salt
of the land of Israel, preserving it (from conflict). The material is very linked and connected to the 1st century Judea, as seen by Mt 24:2, 15, 26 (the temple's inner rooms); these events are said to be the punishment in fulfillment of all that is written, Lk. 21, which is a sweeping declaration).

Much of this post could have come from 'Wars of the Jews' and that means you are right on. However, you haven't connected the destruction of Jerusalem 'ges' and the temple as being 'heaven and earth' that Jesus said would pass away. This relates to Noel:
Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Fire and brimstone fell upon Jerusalem, again that is in the book 'Wars of the Jews'.

http://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/images/josephus/1737_whiston_english/1737_whiston_english.pdf
 

Danoh

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Much of this post could have come from 'Wars of the Jews' and that means you are right on.[/COLOR]

That right there is its problem. Reading Scripture through said lens.

Absent of the Mystery's interruption of Matthew 24, 70AD would have been the wrath that Matthew 24 was talking about.

Israel's time line is God's turn from Israel in His wrath, towards His purging of their rebels and refining of their elect, followed by His turn back to them in His mercy, Malachi 3 & 4; Matt. 3; Luke 21: 28-33.

But God had planned a Mystery visit among the Gentiles, during His wrath against Israel, 1 Thess. 2; Acts 15; Romans 11.

In between Acts 3's promise of His return in His wrath towards His mercy, and 2 Peter 3's explanation of its delay, per Paul's writings.

Thus the Lord's Mathew 24: 36 answer once more, in Acts 1:7.

Consider that your view makes sense to you only because it is absent of the above.

Because your view is the result of a logic that is based in your writers having wandered outside of Scripture to secular history in their attempt to understand through them "the things of God."

You're right; Tel; we on our side of the fence, we owe men like Darby - for their having begun to recover of what your writers had had no clue of, as Paul's words in Romans 11:25 had been ignored even in his own day, let alone, by the time your writers came along, only to build further on what Paul had warned against.

The following traces the history of Dispensationalism way before Darby (but the point is "let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" Rom. 14:5).

http://gracehistoryproject.blogspot.com/2010/09/lesson-1-what-is-history.html
 
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