Should murderers be put to death as specified in the Torah?

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The Torah is against murder. Should the Torah be followed in the case of a murderer or in the case of murderers?
 

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The Torah is against murder. Should the Torah be followed in the case of a murderer or in the case of murderers?

In a broader sense then Yes. However, the Jews introduced the governance of Kings. So it boils down to how your Ceasar decides what to be enforced.
 

Jacob

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In a broader sense then Yes. However, the Jews introduced the governance of Kings. So it boils down to how your Ceasar decides what to be enforced.

Have you read the Torah? It is interesting all that you have said.

If a murder has taken place, what is to be done?
 

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The Torah is against murder. Should the Torah be followed in the case of a murderer or in the case of murderers?

The Torah (Law) is not for Christians. The question is, what is the Christian teaching on the subject.

The answer is, it is a subject that has not been authoritatively defined and therefore a good Christian can come down on either side of the issue. Obviously the death penalty is not immoral otherwise God would never had told the Jews to use it. On the other hand, modern technology allows us to lock up murderers for life with no danger to society, thus allowing us to show mercy and give them time to repent.

The word "Penitentiary" comes from the word Repentance. That was the whole reason for building them.
 

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The Torah (Law) is not for Christians. The question is, what is the Christian teaching on the subject.

The answer is, it is a subject that has not been authoritatively defined and therefore a good Christian can come down on either side of the issue. Obviously the death penalty is not immoral otherwise God would never had told the Jews to use it. On the other hand, modern technology allows us to lock up murderers for life with no danger to society, thus allowing us to show mercy and give them time to repent.

The word "Penitentiary" comes from the word Repentance. That was the whole reason for building them.

Damm, that was a great post.
 

Bradley D

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No one is without sin. Except Jesus Christ our Savior.

"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more (John 8:3-11).
 

Jacob

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Murderers and adulterers (upon conviction of both) should be executed.

Upon what basis? I would put them together in this only since the question was about murderers and a question was about adulterers. Method of death might be different according to the Torah. I think that it is.
 

Jacob

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The Torah (Law) is not for Christians. The question is, what is the Christian teaching on the subject.

The answer is, it is a subject that has not been authoritatively defined and therefore a good Christian can come down on either side of the issue. Obviously the death penalty is not immoral otherwise God would never had told the Jews to use it. On the other hand, modern technology allows us to lock up murderers for life with no danger to society, thus allowing us to show mercy and give them time to repent.

The word "Penitentiary" comes from the word Repentance. That was the whole reason for building them.

Interesting perspective. One murder, one execution of a murderer or rather lock him or her up. Interesting. I know you don't want the murderer to go free. There are different kinds of murder. We may however be talking about the same thing. Mentioning murder.
 

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No one is without sin. Except Jesus Christ our Savior.

"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more (John 8:3-11).

Amen. Has it been determined if Jesus was only one witness or if Jesus was a witness at all?
 

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Upon what basis? I would put them together in this only since the question was about murderers and a question was about adulterers. Method of death might be different according to the Torah. I think that it is.

Upon God's law.
 

Bradley D

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They were asking Jesus a question on the stoning of the woman for being caught in the act of adultery. Jesus was not a witness.
 

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The Torah is against murder. Should the Torah be followed in the case of a murderer or in the case of murderers?
It might be just as effective to ask: Should murderers be released as modern just-a-systems say?
 

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No one is without sin. Except Jesus Christ our Savior.

"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more (John 8:3-11).
Why does this stupidity raise its head every time we try to talk about justice?

Have you not been told?

Jesus upheld the law. If you think the message of this story is to throw the law out, you're on the side of those who brought the false charges.
 
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