Satan, Inc (TOL's heretic's list)
- Thread starter Choleric
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They received the Holy Spirit. Yet they fell away. You intentionally ignored the main part you filthy liar. Nobody is yet resurrected (born again) except the Lord Jesus Christ.
Ok. Once the line is crossed there is no way back.
I can accept that. The question remains where that line is.
Even more important, who is actually drawing that line.
I don't draw the line. You don't draw the line. The writer to the Hebrews does not draw the line
But it is time for me to walk the line.
Thanks Nick M
That picture has nothing to do with your post, but the alien followers in the thread.
WonderfulLordJesus
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Are you calling this person a "filthy liar" for believing these these apostates referred to in Hebrews 6 were not of a true salvation experience? I hope not, as there is strong exegesis, by some very faithful men of God, these people were not saved, rather exposed to all spiritual things. The point is, to be on the other side of this issue does not constitute a liar, unless one acknowledges themselves a liar, for not being correct about everything in God's word. A person is a liar who intends to deceive, again, we all liars, then, if we've said anything that turns out to be doctrinally incorrect. Does it either seem appropriate to call somebody a liar, over an issue sincere theologians have not had a consensus on, down the ages? Is a person a liar to have a plausible opinion? I don't know if this Nang person tells other lies, not having been around here that much to get a handle on who's who of some people, but, again, I hope you'd not be calling a person a filthy liar, over a matter of legitimate theological cases that can be made.
WonderfulLordJesus
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I know I'm tempted to say such things, but it's when somebody says something like Jesus isn't God and was Satan's brother in eternity, or the Bible a collection of myths. Anyway, guess I'm also a filthy liar, fear I may not have all spiritual mysteries correctly resolved. Wish God had made me perfect.
you are tempted to call someone an evil pig?
WonderfulLordJesus
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Anyway, back to on topic, how can I get on the heretic list? Given the environment, I have real fears of not receiving enough persecution around here.
WonderfulLordJesus
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No, not really. I'd never so defame pigs.
Lon
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Nick tackles this well from a MAD perspective and I agree this book is only written to Hebrew Christians, not gentiles. We may not interpret Hebrews 6:4 the exact same way.
Again, Nick and I agree, but he may see chapter 6 as a loss of their Salvation. I don't think this particular matters because we both see the problem as pertaining most specifically to Hebrews who had two God-given dynamics with Christ's being the perfected replacement of their old sacrificial way of life, and perfect Priest. Jews don't sacrifice any more.
Yes, it is written to Hebrews and mentions their past forefather and discusses sacrificial system and why Christ Jesus is the perfect priest and God who replaced that system. Because they have two systems, both God given, to 'choose' from, the Hebrews writer is telling them they have no choice, that old system will not work any longer.
No, but it is specifically about they being able to choose between sacrifices and Christ. If they went back to sacrificing animals, it would put Christ's death to shame. They had to make a clean break: Jew or Christian Jew, and only Christ's priesthood and sacrifice would work. That is why it was impossible for them to try and return to a sacrificial system.
It isn't dealing directly with that, other than telling them that the Old System is no longer in effect and why Christ's sacrifice is the superior.
Again, Nick and I agree, but he may see chapter 6 as a loss of their Salvation. I don't think this particular matters because we both see the problem as pertaining most specifically to Hebrews who had two God-given dynamics with Christ's being the perfected replacement of their old sacrificial way of life, and perfect Priest. Jews don't sacrifice any more.
just tell a mad person that
they are not saved
they really do sin
and
it doesn't always mean what it says
Ok. I didn't know. Sorry for the mix up.
WonderfulLordJesus
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Thank you for the advice, but that could prove challenging. I really fear to tell anybody here they have any sin in them, some that they ever had any sin in them. But if it will result in me being called a filthy, lying, unsaved pig, who's unworthy to even be eternally masticated by the devil, in the lowest pit of hell, I will feel more part of the community.
Luke 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Just continue to stay true to yourself, be honest about your beliefs and take the high road.
just be yourself
someone will have a problem with that
but
you will have to go after the mad ones
if
you want to be called an evil pig
WonderfulLordJesus
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Well said, excellent! Now, do I have to totally take the high road, or may I keep my TOL login?
WonderfulLordJesus
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Will keep that in mind. For now, I guess I'm content enough with the fight baiting or more marginal, angry and gratuitous slander.
Are you referring to your username? If so, I don't know why it would be a problem.