REPORT: Second Coming Confusion

Nathon Detroit

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Courtesy of: Bob Hill & Biblical Answers

<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Second Coming Confusion</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>When is the second coming? In about AD 50, Paul implied that he thought he would be alive when the rapture took place. <b>1 Th 4:15</b> " For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep." Then, in approximately 57 AD, the Apostle Paul thought it was soon. <b>1 Co 7:29</b> " But this I say, brethren, the time is short, so that from now on even those who have wives should be as though they had none." About the same time, James thought it was soon.<b> Jam 5:8</b> " You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand." The Apostle John thought it was the last hour in about AD 70. <b>1 Jo 2:18</b> " Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour." When he wrote Revelation, he quoted Christ, <b>Rev 22:7</b> " Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book." </p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>The prophet, Montanus, in the 2<sup>nd</sup> century, predicted the soon bodily return of Christ. Novatian, in the 3<sup>rd</sup> century, expected the second coming of the Lord Jesus. The sack of Rome in the 5<sup>th</sup> century by the Vandals was supposed to bring the end. Pope Gregory, in the sixth century, told the Christian world that " of all the signs [describing] . . . the end of the world[,] some . . .[are] already accomplished. . . . we do not behold signs in the sun and moon and stars but . . . these are not far off . . ." On the last day of 999, the old basilica of St. Peter's at Rome was thronged with a mass of weeping and trembling worshipers awaiting the end of the world. There were repeated warnings in the dark ages.</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Martin Luther wrote in January of 1532, " The last day is at hand. My calendar has run out." Many Adventists predicted the second coming in the 1840's. Dahl, in <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">The Midnight Cry</i>, predicted this era would end by 1980. Many predicted the rapture would take place in 1988 because it was 40 years after the reestablishment of Israel as a nation in 1948. Edgar Whisenant gave 88 reasons why in it would be in 1988. When it didn't happen, he then said it would take place in 1989. At one time I thought we could know the year of the rapture by figuring out the beginning of the 1000 years and subtract 7 years. But who can be sure when the millennium will begin?</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>A Korean group placed a large newspaper ad in many papers predicting the rapture would take place October 28, 1992. Grant Jeffrey says it will be 2000. What do you think?</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>The next thing that will happen is the rapture. <b>2 The 2:1-4</b> " Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">that</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Day</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">will</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">not</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">come</i> unless <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">the departure</i></b> comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition." </p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>That will start a sequence of many prophetic events which are displayed in the following chart:</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style='font-size:22.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Caslon Open Face SSi"'>Eschatology &#150; from Now to Eternity</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center">The rapture ends this dispensation</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2 Th 2:3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1 Co 15:51,52</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorrupt-ible, and we shall be changed.</p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Tribulation</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">The beginning of the Lord's Day</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="layout-grid-mode:line">Mat 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dan 9:27a And he will strengthen a covenant with the many for one heptad; and at the midpoint of the heptad he will stop sacrifice and grain offering.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dan 12:11<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">a </span>And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, one thousand two hundred and ninety days.</p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Great & Awesome Day of the Lord</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">After the tribulation</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.</p>
<p class="Normal12"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Mat 24:29,30</span></p>
<p class="Normal12"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. </span></p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Judgment</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Sheep and goat nations judged.</span></p>
<p class="Normal12"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Mat 25:31,32 When the Son of Man comes in His glory and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another as a shepherd divides <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">his</i> sheep from the goats.</span></p>
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<p>CHART CONTINUED......</p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">1,000 year reign</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Tribulation martyrs reign with Christ </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rev 20:4,6 Then <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">I</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">saw</i> the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">his</i> mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 6 <span style="layout-grid-mode:
line">Blessed and holy <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">is</i> he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.</span></p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Satan Loosed</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">After 1,000 years</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Gog and Magog</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rev 20:7-9 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them <span style="font-size:9.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">together </span>to battle, whose number <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">is</i> as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth <span style="font-size:9.0pt;
mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">and surrounded</span> the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.</p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Great White Throne</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">The rest of the dead are judged.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rev 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it . . . 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">the</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">Book</i> of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 . . . And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.</p>
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<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">New Heaven and Earth</span></b></p>
<p class="Normal12" style="text-align:center" align="center"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Israel's kingdom is established </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Rev 21:1,3,27; 22:5 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. . . . 3 Behold, the tabernacle of God <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">is</i> with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">and</i> <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">be</i> their God. . . . 27 only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. 22:5 And they shall reign forever and ever.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:right" align="right"><span style="font-size:6.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt">Robert T. Hill<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">Ê </span>1998</span></p>
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<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Then the tribulation. The rapture is before the tribulation because nothing in this dispensation is prophesied. <b>Eph 3:8,9</b> " To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ, 9 and to make all see what <i style="mso-bidi-font-style:
normal">is</i> the dispensation of the mystery, which has been hidden from ages in God who created all things through Jesus Christ." That's what we <b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal">call the nature of the mystery. </b>Israel was identified as the people of the tribulation by Daniel (<b>Dan 9:24; 10:14; 12:1</b>). Our Lord Jesus Christ mentioned Daniel's abomination of desolation (<b>Dan 9:27; 11:31</b>) in the tribulation's setting (<b>Mat 24:15-21</b>).</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>The purpose of the tribulation is to purify Israel for her kingdom reign (<b>Dan 9:24; Zec 13:9</b>). In fact, in <b>Jer 30:7</b>, the tribulation is specifically called a time of tribulation for Jacob. Therefore, a tribulation which is specifically designated for Israel is irrelevant to the church which is His body.</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Since the nature of the mystery shows us that the body of Christ is never referred to in biblical prophecy prior to Paul's conversion, we can make some conclusions about when it occurs. They are:</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>A.<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Prophecy about the people in the tribulation would not refer to the body of Christ.</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>B.<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Prophecy about the day of the Lord would not apply to the body of Christ.</p>
<p class="Normal14"><span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>C.<span style="mso-tab-count:1"> </span>Prophecy about the people under the wrath of God would not apply to the body of Christ.</p>
<p class="Normal14" style="text-align:left" align="left">Therefore, the rapture, since it only applies to the body of Christ, must take place prior to the prophetic program which follows it for the next 1,007 years. Then the great and awesome day of the Lord is next. This is what is normally called the second coming. Then the judgment of the nations takes place. Then the millennial reign of Christ begins. Then Satan is loosed. Then the great white throne judgment takes place. Then the new heavens and earth are established. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Come, Lord Jesus.</p>

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Patroclus

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Oh my goodness...


Since the entire theology of rapture is based off of those verses in 1 Thess, let's take a look at the book for a moment.

A little Disclaimer: This information came to me via one of my New Testament professors. As this is the case, many people will spit this back at me. IF this had happened before the semester let out, I could give you better references. As it is, this is just something for people to consider. However, I think this professor is rather reliable as he is an instructor at Fuller Theological Seminary. But, blah, blah, blah... many of you will not care, and that is okay with me because I don't care. I just think it is fun to watch Larkinite theology presented from time to time. For those of you who are interested, Clarence Larkin's book, Dispensational Truth, is probably one of the best sources for this kind of theology. Until recently, it was considerred the primary source for dispensational theology.

First of all, when compared to the other Pauline Epistles, it is unique in there is not a single desparaging word in it. The reason is that Thessalonica was a major town, and had been granted sovereignty from the Roman empire by the Roman empire. In other words, it was not technically under Roman law. However, there was always the threat that Rome could take her back if she did not continue to please Caesar. So, the main cult of that city was the Imperial Cult (the cult that worshipped Caesar as a god). Here is an example of one of the customs of the Imperial cult:

When Caesar would approach Thessolonica, a watchman would blow a trumpet. At that time, a large throng would leave the town and greet him on the road to bring him back in (sound familiar?).

At any rate, Christianity did not make people in that city very happy because it interfered with the Imperial Cult. Therefore, several Thesselonian Christians were martyrd. Paul was writing to encourage these people in their sufferings. The important part is not about meeting Jesus in the air, but that the dead in Christ will rise first. You see, as you know, Paul believed very ardently that Jesus was coming back to judge the world very soon. Many people believed that if a person died before this return that they would not be a part of the Kingdom of God. Paul was reassuring these people that they would indeed be a part of the Kingdom.
 

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Therefore, the rapture, since it only applies to the body of Christ, must take place prior to the prophetic program which follows it for the next 1,007 years. Then the great and awesome day of the Lord is next. This is what is normally called the second coming. Then the judgment of the nations takes place. Then the millennial reign of Christ begins. Then Satan is loosed. Then the great white throne judgment takes place. Then the new heavens and earth are established. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Come, Lord Jesus.
Amen

Sounds good to me. Many call when He comes to earth the 2nd Advent, since He did not touch earth in the rapture.
But thats no big deal.

Good Knight.
 
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