REPORT: Miracle Dynamics

Nathon Detroit

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Miracles foster unbelief.
God’s great miracles through Moses filled Egypt with undeniable evidence for the God of Israel (Ex. 9:27). Yet neither the Bible nor history records Egyptian repentance, only good riddance (Ps. 105:38; Ex. 12:35-36; 14:25). Further and more dramatic, consider the effect of those tremendous miracles on Israel. God followed the 10 plagues (Ex. 7:14-12:30) done on behalf of Israel with the parting of the Red Sea (Ex. 14:21-22) and the drowning of the Egyptian army (Ex. 14:26-28). Then daily for 40 years God appeared to the entire nation as a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night (Ex. 13:21-22; Num. 14:14; Neh. 9:12; Ps. 105:39). The Lord kept their clothes from wearing out (Deut. 8:4), produced water out of the Rock (Ex. 17:2-6), fed the people with angel’s food from heaven (Ex. 16:4-7) and brought meat on demand, literally filling their camp with quail (Num. 11:31-32; Ps. 105:40).

Yet with all this, virtually the entire nation rejected God:
For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses? … Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness? Heb. 3:16-17
…and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation… was gone Num. 32:13

Jesus did great miracles and crowds followed Him, but mostly out of selfishness. Of thousands who received His miracles, few worshipped Him. Of 10 lepers healed, only one thanked Him (Luke 17:17). Generally, Christ’s miracles did not win over the crowds (Mat. 8:34; 11:20; 13:58; Mark 15:8-15; Luke 4:23-28; 8:37; 17:17; John 5:8-10; 10:25-39; 12:29-30). Even His own city rejected the miracle-working Messiah (Mark 6:4-6).

Confronted By Truth
Why would miracles lead to unbelief? Con-sider this. Ten-year-old Norman bickers with his 12-year-old brother Jack. “We’ll probably have left over spaghetti for lunch.” Jack says, “No we won’t. There’s none left, it’s all gone. We finished it last night.”
Norman: No, there’s some leftovers.
Jack: You’re wrong, it’s all gone.
Norman: No, there’s leftovers.
Jack: Nope. We finished it.
Norman: Did not.
Jack: Did too. I saw mom put the rest in the garbage disposal.
Norman: Do you like being wrong?
Jack: I’m not wrong. You’re wrong.
Norman: All right, I’ll just go in there and prove it.

Norman comes out of the house with a serving bowl half filled with leftover spaghetti. He shows it to his brother.

Question: Is Jack happy that he now knows the truth?
Answer: No. Actually, Jack is angry that Norman proved him wrong.

People do not like the truth shoved into their faces. Jack may now know that there is leftover spaghetti but he resents his brother proving the point. These boys quarreled over a minor issue. What is the reaction when the issue becomes more significant?
Often the more serious the issue, the more a man resents those who prove him wrong. Evangelism sees the ultimate application of this principle. He who rejects God is not typically eager for correction. When someone’s heart is hardened against God, a miracle shoves the truth in his face. His mind cannot deny God but his heart can resist. Thus countless witnesses of the miraculous have refused to acquiesce.

In which three cities did Jesus perform most of His miracles and what was the corporate response of those cities to His works?
Then He began to rebuke the cities in which most of His mighty works had been done, because they did not repent… Chorazin… Bethsaida… Capernaum… Mat. 11:20-23

Jesus’ miracles benefited the masses, yet entire cities rejected Him. His very reputation for doing miracles hurt His own ministry:
So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. … And they said, “… Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.’ “… So all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath, and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him… that they might throw Him down over the cliff. Luke 4:16-29

The people in the city where Jesus performed His first miracle abraded Him with their constant requests. For that reason He chided Cana for their constant need to “see signs and wonders” (John 4:48). In another region, Christ’s extraordinary reputation and His visible authority over demons (Mat. 8:28-33) did little to produce repentance:
The Lord did many miracles in Jerusalem and it’s suburbs. Yet even in Jerusalem the crowds were not won over.
For good reasons God determined to provide signs and wonders for and through Israel. Yet even He tired of their demand for service. It’s like bratty kids who want more and more, and no matter how much a parent does for them, they just demand more. It gets so that the parent is restrained from doing the good he would have wanted to do, because of the emotional weakness and immaturity of his children. The parent, for the child’s own good, wants the child to love him, not for gifts but for himself.

Then the Pharisees came out and began to dispute with Him, seeking from Him a sign from heaven, testing Him. But He sighed deeply in His spirit, and said, “Why does this gen-era-tion seek a sign?…” Mark 8:11-12
Miracles did not effectively teach the crowds for their outward manifestation of faith did not persuade Jesus:
“Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you [believe], but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. John 6:26

The Rich Kid
The rich kid expects special treatment. The rules should not apply to him. But his wise earthly father, though he has wealth and power, does not comply. How much more will God, our heavenly Father, encourage His children to live by the rules, without special exceptions?
What happens if the rich kid has an imprudent father? His son wants special treatment and gets it. The rules are bent for him, over and over and over. He does not learn the lesson of his failures here on earth. He is shielded from the consequences of his actions. Obviously this hurts the son, but what of the onlookers? What do neighbors think of the powerful dad who pulls strings so his kid gets away with things their kids cannot get away with? What do schoolmates think of the rich kid’s privilege? Does it warm their hearts? Are they drawn to respect dad and admire the son?

Breaking the rules for favored sons makes for difficult relationships. Thus, when God performs miracles for some, He complicates the conversion of others. He knows that. He filled a book with the evidence. He suffers anguish over the selfishness of His children. They ask and ask, mindless of the repercus-sions. How many perverse generations have demanded special favors of Him? Jesus said:
“An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign…” Mat. 12:39

Conspicuous by their Absence
Why do the Epistle’s have a scarcity of miracles? God miraculously healed every sick person introduced in the Gospels and Acts, but none in the Epistles. For example, Paul’s said, “Trophimus I have left in Miletus sick” (2 Tim. 4:20).
Paul’s first letter to his good friend shows that Timothy had a reputation as a physically unhealthy person who suffered from “frequent infirmities.”
…use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and for your frequent infirmities. 1 Tim. 5:23
A deafening silence resides in the Epistles. Paul knew of Timothy’s continuing health problems. This means that Paul himself did not heal Timothy of this persistent problem. Further, of course, neither could Timothy nor any of the believers around him heal this ailment. Moreover, Paul does not even instruct Timothy to seek deliverance by praying for healing or anointing with oil.
Notice that Christians who pray for God to miraculously fix their cars only pray for repairs they cannot see with their eyes. If a car does not start, some believers will ask God to fix it rather than asking Him for wisdom in the situation. However, believers never ever pray for a repair of something visibly wrong with the car. For example, Christians never pray and ask God to supernaturally fix a flat tire. Why? If a knob is broken off or a windshield is busted out, Christians do not ask God to fix those things. Why? Because they know, deep within, even if they have a hard time admitting it, that God will not fix those things no matter how much faith they have. However, a mechanical problem that they cannot see presents a blind faith opportunity to deceive themselves. The uncertainty that goes with hidden problems leaves enough chance that the car just might start on the next attempt (as cars so often do). So, Christians claim a miracle when the car starts on the next try.

Christians should admit that they do not possess the physical redemption of their earthly bodies. For if they did possess that redemption, then they would not long for it. So remember to glorify God in trials and difficulties because that is when His power will shine brightest.
…the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us… For… the whole creation groans… And not only they, but… even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, then we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Rom. 8:17, 22-25

- Bob Enyart
 

Nathon Detroit

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Originally posted by Sheepdog
Why do you think Jesus told His disciples to heal the sick etc?
As a witness to prove they were who they said they were.
“And heal the sick there, and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God has come near to you.’ Luke 10:9

Why did James say to pray for the sick?
So that the sick might be saved! "Saved" as in salvation.

And for the comfort and wisdom of those involved.

Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. - 14 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. - 15 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. James 5:16
When we pray for the comfort and calm for the sick and when we pray for the wisdom of the physicians God will comfort and calm the sick and God will give the physicians wisdom.... all of which "may" help in the healing process. No physical miracles here.
 
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Wow. i have never been a great supporter of Enyart but I have to say, he is right on the money with that one!

I have long held that in this day and age, our witness to God is our persaverance in the midst of trials.

We have a healing service in our denomination. It's called the "The Service of Wholeness." The understanding is that God can heal the body but that what is more important is that God IS healing the spirit. So we pray for spiritual wholeness in the midst of physical brokeness.

Anyway, I thought the article was spot on.
 
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Pilgrimagain

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I guess someone didn't read the article. In actuallity they did not foster much belief at all.
 

Nathon Detroit

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Explosived, shorten and shrink your signature dramatically or I will do it for you or even ban you.

ASAP.
 
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cirisme

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Is that a sig?

I thought he was spamming because it's the same thing over and over again, but I can't believe it's a sig! :shocked:

Anyways, good article. I suppose you can say that if you give someone one miracle, they'll expect another better one, then another, then another. Kind of like helping someone out too much.
 

Explosived

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Study........ not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

Study........ not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15

1 Corinthians 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
 

Nathon Detroit

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Re: Study........ not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:

Re: Study........ not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:

Originally posted by Explosived
1 Corinthians 1:22
For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
Thanks for the sig cut.
 

Explosived

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Ok I just read the article for the forth time.




John 4:44
For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.
 

Nathon Detroit

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Originally posted by Explosived
Ok I just read the article for the forth time.


John 4:44
For Jesus himself testified, that a prophet hath no honour in his own country.
I don't understand your point.
 

me again

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Benny Hinn and other ministries...

Benny Hinn and other ministries...

The article was excellent and it made some valid points. But...
  • < Don’t you just love the word “but?” It says so much!!! > ;)
But it does not prove that miracles no longer occur in mens' ministries.

Personally, I would not give money to the Benny Hinn crusade. However, I’m very cautious in saying that the miracles that occur there are frauds or money making schemes because if the miracles are real, then I am judging the handiwork of God Himself. And I dare not do that.

Sheepdawg, how do you know that the miracles are not real or are frauds? Do you have facts or are you just stating your opinion?
 

Explosived

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"Why do the Epistle’s have a scarcity of Miracles?"
God was done witnessing to the Jews.

Signs = Miracles, do you see that?

Mr. Enyart does have a couple good points.








I should make it clear that I firmly believe that God can still work miracles and heal anyone He chooses, and I believe that the prayers of God's people can move Him to work miracles, but let's not confuse answered prayers with Apostolic Signs, because there's a vast difference. I believe in healing; I just don't believe in healers.
 
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chance

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Has a miracle just occured?

Has a miracle just occured?

A miracle may have just occured earlier today.

I finally sent Goose the shirt he ordered at the seminar in Indy last August. Except I didn't send a white t-shirt. Since it is so cold I decided to send the black hooded sweatshirt. I hope that's ok Goose :D

You can see the shirt Goose is going to receive here

http://www.survivors.la/shirts.htm

Quinn
 
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