"Render unto Caesar...."

[bybee]

It seems that Christians who work in areas which deal with the public are well within their Christian scruples to follow the dictates of the law when providing services to the public.
If the law states that marriage licenses must be issued to same sex couples and one works for the government then one is simply complying with the law. That is not an endorsement.
The baker bakes a cake for whomever desires the service. Big deal! That also is not an endorsement.
There are some "Big deals" though.
Abortion may be legal but I would starve to death before I would participate in such an activity.
Let us save our umbrage for things that really count.

 

[Town Heretic]

It seems that Christians who work in areas which deal with the public are well within their Christian scruples to follow the dictates of the law when providing services to the public.
If the law states that marriage licenses must be issued to same sex couples and one works for the government then one is simply complying with the law. That is not an endorsement.
The baker bakes a cake for whomever desires the service. Big deal! That also is not an endorsement.
There are some "Big deals" though.
Abortion may be legal but I would starve to death before I would participate in such an activity.
Let us save our umbrage for things that really count.

I think that's about as right as rain. :thumb:

 

[Daniel1611]

Gay marriage is a fake issue to make everyone accept homosexuality

 

[bybee]

Gay marriage is a fake issue to make everyone accept homosexuality

It exists. My acceptance doesn't make any difference. I do not accept it. That doesn't make any difference either.

 

[Daniel1611]

If you want to play ball, go ahead.

 

[Town Heretic]

If you want to play ball, go ahead.

How is recognizing the existence of a thing playing ball?

I recognize that the Klan exists and that it has a right to parade ignorantly down main street if it has a permit. Doesn't mean I agree with anything they stand for, does it.

 

[Daniel1611]

How is recognizing the existence of a thing playing ball?

I recognize that the Klan exists and that it has a right to parade ignorantly down main street if it has a permit. Doesn't mean I agree with anything they stand for, does it.

The OP seems to be suggesting it's cool to hand out gay marriage licenses. He doesn't agree but he will play ball. I don't recognize the legitimacy of the American government or anything it does.

 

[Town Heretic]

The OP seems to be suggesting it's cool to hand out gay marriage licenses.

Cool? I don't see why you think that.

He doesn't agree but he will play ball.

Bybee is a she. And you still haven't said what you mean by "play ball" so I don't know what your criticism means. Is abiding by the law of the land "playing ball"?

I don't recognize the legitimacy of the American government or anything it does.

Oh, I see. Sorry to have bothered you. Good luck with that line of reasoning when it comes tax time or you get pulled over by a police officer.

 

[Daniel1611]

Cool? I don't see why you think that.


Bybee is a she. And you still haven't said what you mean by "play ball" so I don't know what your criticism means. Is abiding by the law of the land "playing ball"?


Oh, I didn't know that's who I was talking to. Sorry to have bothered you. Good luck with that line of reasoning when it comes tax time or you get pulled over by a police officer.

Following a law that contradicts the Bible is wicked. I won't follow any law that contradicts the Bible.

I'm also not going to jail for not paying taxes because the Bible doesn't tell me not to pay them.

 

[Totton Linnet]

No I can't agree, I will go to jail rather than endorse homosexuality, they pick on Christian bakers and order cake with a message promoting homosexuality.

I do not believe in discriminating against homos...but I will not endorse them

The issuing of licences is a different matter, it is not actively endorsing homosexuality.

 

[bybee]

Baking a cake is not endorsing anything. As to the type of decoration? I would be selective there.

 

[bybee]

The OP seems to be suggesting it's cool to hand out gay marriage licenses. He doesn't agree but he will play ball. I don't recognize the legitimacy of the American government or anything it does.

Not at all. I am taking a reasonable stance. Again this does not mean endorsement.
I do not know lurks in the hearts of men. Do you?
We are not to judge.

 

[Rusha]

Baking a cake is not endorsing anything. As to the type of decoration? I would be selective there.

This is one of those instances where, IMO, the bakery owner's right to refuse service should trump the right of the customer.

 

[Daniel1611]

Not at all. I am taking a reasonable stance. Again this does not mean endorsement.
I do not know lurks in the hearts of men. Do you?
We are not to judge.

Playing ball. That's apparently your stance. That's fine. I, personally, refuse to play ball with the system.

 

[kmoney]

It seems that Christians who work in areas which deal with the public are well within their Christian scruples to follow the dictates of the law when providing services to the public.
If the law states that marriage licenses must be issued to same sex couples and one works for the government then one is simply complying with the law. That is not an endorsement.
The baker bakes a cake for whomever desires the service. Big deal! That also is not an endorsement.
There are some "Big deals" though.
Abortion may be legal but I would starve to death before I would participate in such an activity.
Let us save our umbrage for things that really count.

Where is the line between things that really count and things that don't really count?

 

[Nick M]

Where is the line between things that really count and things that don't really count?

It stands at right an wrong.

 

[Rusha]

Where is the line between things that really count and things that don't really count?

IMO, the line depends on the outcome of the choice in question. For example, a baker who refuses to bake a cake does not put the customer in question in any type of jeopardy.

Whereas, a paramedic, police officer, fireman, ER physician, etc. who refuses to respond to or care for someone could possibly cause further injury and even death.

 

[bybee]

It stands at right an wrong.

I take "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" to include not only the paying of taxes but also to obey the law of the land so long as it does not encroach on that which belongs to God. I do not believe that God cares about who one bakes a cake for.
And whilst I consider homosexuality to be abnormal I cannot decide if it is necessary to deny them equal rights under the law?
Better to spend my time being a comforter to God's people.
I am zealous about protecting my right to freely choose my life's pathway which implies that same freedom must be available for all citizens.
This does not imply approval.

 

[Daniel1611]

Do i support gay cakes? The Bible doesnt mention them.The Bible says sodomites should be executed by the government

 

[bybee]

Do i support gay cakes? The Bible doesnt mention them.The Bible says sodomites should be executed by the government

Yet Jesus speaks of mercy, love and forgiveness.