Reasoning and Common Sense Theology

[Robert Pate]

A Christian is someone that believes that Jesus is the Messiah (Christ), and has given up their life to Him.


Yes, and I have previously corrected your misunderstandings of "just" and "faith" as used by Paul.
"Just" is a word used by the translators of the KJV as a synonym for "righteous".
"Faith" in the quote by Paul from Habakkuk 2:4 is אֱמוּנָה 'emuwnah.

אֱמוּנָה 'emuwnah
__firmness, fidelity, steadfastness, steadiness
FROM אֵמוּן 'emuwn
__faithfulness, trusting
__faithful, trusty
FROM אָמַן 'aman
__to support, confirm, be faithful

You can't have the "Faith" Paul was speaking of without actions to match it.


A Christian does not reject laws and rules.
Your objections to religion are a rejection of Christianity itself.

You reject the Spirit in your rejection of the duties of a Christian, and are left with nothing but living in your flesh.

Just like I said, You don't know what a Christian is.

Even the devil believes that Jesus is the Messiah and the Christ. Is he saved?

Jesus has taken your life that you have given to him and has crucified it, Romans 6:6.

Jesus doesn't want your old dead sinful life. He wants you to have his sinless, perfected life that is reserved for you in heaven, 1 Peter 1:4.

 

[Muires]

There must be reasoning. Nothing without some down-to-earth common sense. Even in religion. It's one of the things I liked about Swedenborg. His slogan was, Now it is permitted to reason about faith.

 

[aikido7]

Truth is learned by reasoning and common sense.

Isaiah said, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be like crimson, they shall be as wool" Isaiah 1:18.

If the scripture says that the Lord is long-suffering toward us and is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9. Then should we not believe that God is just and Merciful? Common sense should tell us that with very little reasoning.

If the scripture says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, John 3:16. Then should we not believe that God wants ALL MEN to be saved and that he is not willing that any should perish?

If Isaiah said that our sins can be as white as snow. Then should we not believe that God has provided a way for our sins to be made as white as snow? Reasoning and common sense tells us that God can make our sins as white as snow.

If the scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Then why should we not believe the apostle Paul? Why believe what men say? Common sense should tell us that Paul being an apostle of Jesus Christ is a truthful an honest man.

The Bible portrays God as being just, merciful and righteous. Why not give God the credit and believe that he is? "Come let us reason together, saith the Lord. Reasoning and common sense should tell us that God loves us and the whole created order.

If the scripture says that it is God's will that all men would be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth, 1 Timothy 2:4. Common sense should tell us that God is for us and not against us. Jesus was not only God with us, he was God for us.

Come let us reason together and have common sense, so that we can see and believe the wonderful thing that God has done for us in his Son Jesus Christ. "Though your sins be as scarlet they can be as white as snow".

Reasoning and common sense and logic (basically, taking the metaphors and legends as factually correct "events") are not useful in a study of the Bible. The divine and the sacred can only be indicated by metaphorical language or parables. Jesus simply did not preach in tropes of propositional as John asserts.

This is why all the useful "Proofs of God" are unmasked as illogical sooner or later.

He cannot be proved unless we pay attention to our own experience and interpretations. That is all we have to go on.

Men's attempts at proofs can hold back the confusion for awhile, but soon the believer will experience that logic-based faith as severely wanting.

 

[Robert Pate]

Reasoning and common sense and logic (basically, taking the metaphors and legends as factually correct "events") are not useful in a study of the Bible. The divine and the sacred can only be indicated by metaphorical language or parables. Jesus simply did not preach in tropes of propositional as John asserts.

This is why all the useful "Proofs of God" are unmasked as illogical sooner or later.

He cannot be proved unless we pay attention to our own experience and interpretations. That is all we have to go on.

Men's attempts at proofs can hold back the confusion for awhile, but soon the believer will experience that logic-based faith as severely wanting.

We don't have to rely upon our own experiences and interpretations.

The Bible is a clear and precise record of Jesus Christ and his Gospel. All one has to do is read it and believe it.

 

[WonderfulLordJesus]

Very much agree. There is common sense, and lack thereof. A good example is a thread here, where some are impugning the Bible's inspiration and the canon. We have a Bible where God holds us responsible for truth. We are told to live by His every word. We are told not to add or take away from His word. We are even informed all scripture is of the Holy Spirit, inspired. But then what? People claiming there's no reliable Bible. Well, who'd-a-thunk God would command us to obey truth, to study scripture, then leave us wondering what truth is, what scripture is, that the Creator of the universe, apparently, is powerless to write a reliable book, some would have you believe? What is this foolishness? Such an idea can only be one of two things: a tare trying to deceive people, or somebody with no common sense.

There are numerous occasions where claims made on message boards just don't compute with common sense. If you have a scintilla of genuine faith, you must even start with a competent, trustworthy God you can take at His word. If not, one must really wonder, and it's very suspect, why their faith is void and they're even hanging with Christians. Scripture is rational and sensible, is not contradictory or rife with the confusion some display, which is only indicative of their personal intellectual and spiritual deficiencies (some appearing quite dead!) which, of course, are not any deficiency in God and His holy word.

Somebody with no common sense should be ashamed, should repent and just go away, learn the word of God, instead of spreading senseless error that tries to make God a liar. But some tares prefer making their bed in hell, when all is said and done, to truth, one must suppose being a deceiver, trolling message boards, worth eternal damnation. How's that for common sense?

2 Timothy 2

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Revelation 22

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Robert Pate]

Very much agree. There is common sense, and lack thereof. A good example is a thread here, where some are impugning the Bible's inspiration and the canon. We have a Bible where God holds us responsible for truth. We are told to live by His every word. We are told not to add or take away from His word. We are even informed all scripture is of the Holy Spirit, inspired. But then what? People claiming there's no reliable Bible. Well, who'd-a-thunk God would command us to obey truth, to study scripture, then leave us wondering what truth is, what scripture is, that the Creator of the universe, apparently, is powerless to write a reliable book, some would have you believe? What is this foolishness? Such an idea can only be one of two things: a tare trying to deceive people, or somebody with no common sense.

There are numerous occasions where claims made on message boards just don't compute with common sense. If you have a scintilla of genuine faith, you must even start with a competent, trustworthy God you can take at His word. If not, one must really wonder, and it's very suspect, why their faith is void and they're even hanging with Christians. Scripture is rational and sensible, is not contradictory or rife with the confusion some display, which is only indicative of their personal intellectual and spiritual deficiencies (some appearing quite dead!) which, of course, are not any deficiency in God and His holy word.

Somebody with no common sense should be ashamed, should repent and just go away, learn the word of God, instead of spreading senseless error that tries to make God a liar. But some tares prefer making their bed in hell, when all is said and done, to truth, one must suppose being a deceiver, trolling message boards, worth eternal damnation. How's that for common sense?

2 Timothy 2

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Revelation 22

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

It is all very plain and simple to me, as it is also to you.

 

[aikido7]

Truth is learned by reasoning and common sense.

Isaiah said, "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be like crimson, they shall be as wool" Isaiah 1:18.

If the scripture says that the Lord is long-suffering toward us and is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9. Then should we not believe that God is just and Merciful? Common sense should tell us that with very little reasoning.

If the scripture says that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, John 3:16. Then should we not believe that God wants ALL MEN to be saved and that he is not willing that any should perish?

If Isaiah said that our sins can be as white as snow. Then should we not believe that God has provided a way for our sins to be made as white as snow? Reasoning and common sense tells us that God can make our sins as white as snow.

If the scripture says that Jesus has reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Then why should we not believe the apostle Paul? Why believe what men say? Common sense should tell us that Paul being an apostle of Jesus Christ is a truthful an honest man.

The Bible portrays God as being just, merciful and righteous. Why not give God the credit and believe that he is? "Come let us reason together, saith the Lord. Reasoning and common sense should tell us that God loves us and the whole created order.

If the scripture says that it is God's will that all men would be saved and come into the knowledge of the truth, 1 Timothy 2:4. Common sense should tell us that God is for us and not against us. Jesus was not only God with us, he was God for us.

Come let us reason together and have common sense, so that we can see and believe the wonderful thing that God has done for us in his Son Jesus Christ. "Though your sins be as scarlet they can be as white as snow".

Truth is also learned in metaphor, myth and narrative.

Propositional theology comes from human rationality and logic defining metaphorical characterizations in the context of a religion's standards of truth.

I have learned that the old rational, logical proofs of God make no common sense to me any longer. They have all proved to be wanting and nonsensical when it comes to true human rationality and logic.

Rationality and logical formulations are just a small part of the world we live in. We can affirm Jesus is the Lamb of God--but we do not take it literally. It is a metaphor of Jesus' death; it doesn't mean "Mary had a little lamb."

 

[Robert Pate]

Truth is also learned in metaphor, myth and narrative.

Propositional theology comes from human rationality and logic defining metaphorical characterizations in the context of a religion's standards of truth.

I have learned that the old rational, logical proofs of God make no common sense to me any longer. They have all proved to be wanting and nonsensical when it comes to true human rationality and logic.

Rationality and logical formulations are just a small part of the world we live in. We can affirm Jesus is the Lamb of God--but we do not take it literally. It is a metaphor of Jesus' death; it doesn't mean "Mary had a little lamb."

Maybe you have become so wise that you have lost your mind.