how do you spread the good news without works?
question for MADIsts.
- Thread starter meshak
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Try and break that down for us?
Huh? You tell people about the Grace Gospel. Romans 10:17--"So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
There were two separate Messages being preached around 2000 years ago. One to the House of Israel (The Kingdom Message) and the other to the Gentiles. (The Grace Message) Today, there's one Message and that is The Grace Message which covers both Jew and Gentile alike. The Body of Christ.
heir
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WRONG Is your lie about it all being the "same gospel". You are WRONG! The context is resurrection and they all preached it!
1 Corinthians 15:11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.
1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1 Corinthians 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1 Corinthians 15:14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1 Corinthians 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
Acts 20:30 KJV is not the same as Romans 4:25 KJV. If it's not the same, it's different.
SaulToPaul 2
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For those who've studied and understood the Old Testament, the 4 gospels, and early Acts...Acts 9 should hit them like a ton of bricks. It is a radical departure.
heir
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the preaching of the cross
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PAUL SAYS this is the gospel that saved them...it is the same...Whether, then, it is I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Paul does not preach NO OBEDIENCE. Paul preaches that Jesus is the Lamb and no one has to do any ceremonial/purification works anymore.
As for no works, Jesus preached he will give rest.
Matthew 11:28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
John 1:29 The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Think about it...the LAMB OF GOD...the lambs sacrificed day after day for the ceremonial/purification works.
Even Paul tells you first to the Jews then to the Gentiles.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
Romans 2:9
There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;
Read this scripture, for even Peter knew it was a gospel first for the Jews then to the Gentiles.
Acts 3:26 When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways."
Acts 10:43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."
Luke 24:46 He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations,
John 4:42 They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”
People that desire to inherit eternal life today need to focus on Paul's writings. (Romans through Philemon)
Although, it's important to read and study the entirety of Scripture as well. If you're looking to find God's free gift of Grace, you need to look to Paul.
Although, it's important to read and study the entirety of Scripture as well. If you're looking to find God's free gift of Grace, you need to look to Paul.
Good post.
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Raised for our justification is about the LAMB of God who takes away the sins of the WORLD, the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD. He LIVES to INTERCEDE for us.
No more sacrifice of animals to justify anyone, because Jesus is the LAMB sacrificed ONCE AND FOR ALL.
You cannot inherit eternal life by:
1) Good works/deeds.
2) Going to church regularly.
3) Water Baptism.
4) Supposed obedience to the law.
To become a member of the Body of Christ is to, hear the Gospel and respond by placing ALL your faith in Christ alone.
1) Good works/deeds.
2) Going to church regularly.
3) Water Baptism.
4) Supposed obedience to the law.
To become a member of the Body of Christ is to, hear the Gospel and respond by placing ALL your faith in Christ alone.
Gentiles never sacrificed animals anyway? So, what you're trying to say doesn't include them.
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We need to look to Jesus Christ. Even Paul taught to look to the cross.
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They were WITHOUT GOD AND CHRIST BECAUSE they did not sacrifice animals. They did not do those works that is why they were separate from God and the Covenants.
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We are saved by Jesus Christ. Who does Jesus save? He saves those who take his instructions on how to get to the Father.
Isn't that what being saved is, getting to the Father? Yes, it is.
Do what Jesus says and we get there.
The Jews were the "Chosen people of God." The Gentiles were not. The Jews were given the law. The Gentiles were not. There was a huge divide between the Jews and the Gentiles. The Mystery that was revealed to Paul brings together both Jew and Gentile. They both can become part of the Body of Christ.
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Jesus' words are powerful and true. Right now, everyone, saved and unsaved, think about what Jesus SAYS, what the WORD SAYS...humble yourself as a little child; do everything you are told to do.
Hearing the Gospel and placing your faith in Christ as your Savior begins a Spiritual process of the work of the Holy Spirit. In essence, the Holy Spirit draws ALL of humanity to the Grace of God.