And losing, despite the glorious Battle of Britain. You still needed us, and we came through for you.
Or you could just put me on Ignore, as you've long claimed to do.
Yes, at least once he threatened to.
But if he did that, he couldn't get attention and disrupt discussions he has little if any stake in (this one originally didn't until it took a turn for WW2).
... (america would) have been subjugated as much as anywhere else (by the victorious nazis)
Hitler: Let's invade Georgia! :idea:explain how that would have happened?
assume a fallen britain with a low level of underground resistance
assume a non-threat to the east - either treaties with or victory over Russia
explain how germany (and italy - but not japan) would have "subjugated" america
britain was our toehold/staging area for the invasion into europe - what would germany have used for a toehold/staging area for an invasion into america?
remember, we'd already militarized to fight the japs
None of the links you posting work for me (with the exception of 1 or 2).Anyone else?
You'd have been subjugated as much as anywhere else.
No.
An entire ocean to cross in force, a vast landmass to take, held by armed and relatively independent thinkers of an awakening industrial colossus
vs
a not huge island protected by a 30 mile channel and a handful of damn good pilots.
Geography is hard, I know.
Spirits! Are we really sitting around arguing who has the biggest male appendages in their pants in WW II?
Spirits! Are we really sitting around arguing who has the biggest male appendages in their pants in WW II?
You seem to be under the delusion that America on it's own could thwart the Nazi threat, never mind Japan. Roosevelt was under no such illusions as to how a Nazi domination of Europe would be disastrous for the US, hence this being the allied forces winning WWII which included Russia and the hugely significant damage inflicted to the German army on the Eastern front. Montgomery's victory at El Almein was mightily significant also as was the enigma decoding device. America played a huge role in winning WWII, that much is undeniable. So did many other nations and if Europe had been conquered by Germany then the Nazi machine would have inexorably rumbled on and by itself the USA wouldn't have been able to stop it.
none of that is a response to what musty posted :doh:
It rarely ever is.
It rarely ever is.
It was a direct response to you with reasons outlined. It may have taken more time to dominate America but if Europe had been subjugated then it would only have been a matter of time.
The US on it's own wouldn't have been able to neutralize the Nazi machine.
was thinking about this last night - a german toehold would have been possible through mexico
Well, Musty seems to be given his "response". The truth is, there were millions of brave people from all over the world who fought against the Nazis, even including Germans.
TRUTH! And it would have been a hell of a lot nastier for the US if Britain had fallen.
And would have been stopped cold. But crossing the Channel is one thing. The German Navy didn't have the amphibious landing ability to cross the Atlantic with a force of several thousand soldiers and beach itself in Mexico, the minimum required to make the effort worthwhile. I'm not sure Germany had anything like amphibs at all.