ECT Power: How Acts 1 answers the kingdom of Israel question

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By saying the totality of what was promised has been met; God has delivered.

You don't get Dan 9, the great prayer for the land promise to be fulfilled. The answer goes 2 directions. Messiah comes successfully. the land is devastated.
 
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It stays trampled until the end of time, Lk 21. The modern socialist movement in modern Israel is irrelevant. The OT prophetic imagery was about what the mission workers would do for the nations. Amos 9.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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It stays trampled until the end of time, Lk 21. The modern socialist movement in modern Israel is irrelevant. The OT prophetic imagery was about what the mission workers would do for the nations. Amos 9.
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I will restore the years the locust have eaten.
Count them up, it will be 1000.
 
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RD,
this OP is why I don't accept what you are trying to make Acts do by all your grinding about the kingdom in ch 1. IT WASN'T GOING THAT DIRECTION ANYWAY!!! What Acts became was the prayer taught by Christ: your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. They 'turned the world upside down.'

The true answer about a 'kingdom for Israel' misconception which they had was the power of the Gospel and its kingdom. That's what was coming. That's what was always intended. It is as old as the prophecies that say that when the Spirit comes it would be poured out on all flesh all over the land. That (Pentecost) is what they were about, and it came.

They didn't know the times and seasons and they didn't know the Spirit was going to be there at Pentecost. They didn't even know what he was going to do!!! Find anything in the gospels that says that is what the Spirit was going to do in detail. Nope.

So that is proof that nothing was meant to go any direction as they conceived it, definitely not the kingdom of Israel thing, which totally disappears from the account of Acts, except for the mistaken effort of Judaism mentioned in the hearing in ch 26, where they are 'still seeking day and night as they worship' for that kingdom.
 
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RD,
this OP is why I don't accept what you are trying to make Acts do by all your grinding about the kingdom in ch 1. IT WASN'T GOING THAT DIRECTION ANYWAY!!! What Acts became was the prayer taught by Christ: your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven. They 'turned the world upside down.'

The true answer about a 'kingdom for Israel' misconception which they had was the power of the Gospel and its kingdom. That's what was coming. That's what was always intended. It is as old as the prophecies that say that when the Spirit comes it would be poured out on all flesh all over the land. That (Pentecost) is what they were about, and it came.

They didn't know the times and seasons and they didn't know the Spirit was going to be there at Pentecost. They didn't even know what he was going to do!!! Find anything in the gospels that says that is what the Spirit was going to do in detail. Nope.

So that is proof that nothing was meant to go any direction as they conceived it, definitely not the kingdom of Israel thing, which totally disappears from the account of Acts, except for the mistaken effort of Judaism mentioned in the hearing in ch 26, where they are 'still seeking day and night as they worship' for that kingdom.
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Huh?
 
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They never knew when God and the Spirit was going to work; this concept is nicely captured by C.S. Lewis in Narnia; 'things never happen the same way twice' or 'you won't be able to find him that way; he comes when he wants.'
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Books of men.

Have you even read Acts 1?

1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. 4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
 
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Books of men.

Have you even read Acts 1?

1 The former account I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach, 2 until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen, 3 to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. 4 And being assembled together with them, He commanded them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the Promise of the Father, “which,” He said, “you have heard from Me; 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”
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Right, they didn't expect that event (Pentecost) to be the powerful start of the kingdom--if you need to date a start--but it was. it was authoritative power to accomplish what the promise of Gen 3 and 12 had said was coming.
 
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How were Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles fulfilled?

The first four feast days were fulfilled literally, by Jesus Christ himself.
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that is your view that is never mentioned, taught, expounded by Christ and the apostles, yet the Exodus was fulfilled and you never blast about that.

Your ability to reason, or to use the NT is juvenile.
 
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You seriously don't know what you are talking about.
1, He never was offering a Davidic theocracy. Jn 12:34
2, David saw the resurrection of Christ as the enthronement of Messiah. acts 2:30+
3, power is a kingdom or admin term and it was conferred on them, but also provided apart from them in the Spirits work
4, the description of the kingdom in Jesus sayings is present, imminent, for all mankind, and progressing
5, Paul grieves at the end of Acts (26) that they are still looking for something that has already come because the purpose of that gen of Israel was to become missionaries of the gospel
6, there is no hint of a Davidic theocracy anywhere in Acts, yet look what direction God went
7, the telltale parable of Mt 21, the vineyard, is all we need to know; the kingdom is no longer for the leaders of Israel, it is for those who become missionaries of the gospel, and the old and its place are destroyed.


When you line those facts up, you will never go in the direction of 2P2P which is fraud
 
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You seriously don't know what you are talking about.
1, He never was offering a Davidic theocracy. Jn 12:34
2, David saw the resurrection of Christ as the enthronement of Messiah. acts 2:30+
3, power is a kingdom or admin term and it was conferred on them, but also provided apart from them in the Spirits work
4, the description of the kingdom in Jesus sayings is present, imminent, for all mankind, and progressing
5, Paul grieves at the end of Acts (26) that they are still looking for something that has already come because the purpose of that gen of Israel was to become missionaries of the gospel
6, there is no hint of a Davidic theocracy anywhere in Acts, yet look what direction God went
7, the telltale parable of Mt 21, the vineyard, is all we need to know; the kingdom is no longer for the leaders of Israel, it is for those who become missionaries of the gospel, and the old and its place are destroyed.


When you line those facts up, you will never go in the direction of 2P2P which is fraud
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How were Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles fulfilled?

The first four feast days were fulfilled literally, by Jesus Christ himself.
 
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SaulToPaul said:
How were Trumpets, Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles fulfilled?

The first four feast days were fulfilled literally, by Jesus Christ himself.
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Sorry but I only answer things that matter to the NT. Show me verses in the NT where this matters and we will talk. You are putting your faith in your understanding instead of what God did in Christ. You, however, fly from Acts 2:30 because of what it plainly says.

Why is your 'answer' to say nothing about the question at hand (see the OP) and resort to your comfort blanket?
 
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