The Bible reveals two simple Truths that are easy to glean. There is Good... and God is that GOOD... and there is Evil... and that isn't and never has been "God's Will". God is a permissive God of Loving facilitation... and Free Will.
Love without Free Choice and Free Reciprocation is an artificial intelligence that drifts off of the track of sincerity. The bottom line? God granted freedom to all of His Creations and permitted the resulting chaos that ensued... because Sincerity and Honesty are ingredients of reality that destroy the association of the label "Genuine"... with anything they are removed from.
If... there is No honest choice or sincere reciprocation or rejection involved in love... what ever replicates Love and claims to be Love is nothing more than an artificial act that is rooted in passionless mockery!
So...
As a friend pointed out... knowingly or unknowingly... it all boils down to what a person believes the crafty serpent means to the ancient narrative of our origin.
Does good "employ" evil to work its ill behind secret doors... or does evil usurp, interject and thrust itself upon Good in an attempt to use its goodness against it?
I've written out my take on this painstakingly and believe that it exists to still a back and forth that almost started again.
Here it is quoted in its entirety and void of the intermission that I had included...
All of God's best to all of you...
- EE
One note... there are places where you may need to link to the original OP to see all quotation and verses... as quotes didn't "quote"... into this OP.
Love without Free Choice and Free Reciprocation is an artificial intelligence that drifts off of the track of sincerity. The bottom line? God granted freedom to all of His Creations and permitted the resulting chaos that ensued... because Sincerity and Honesty are ingredients of reality that destroy the association of the label "Genuine"... with anything they are removed from.
If... there is No honest choice or sincere reciprocation or rejection involved in love... what ever replicates Love and claims to be Love is nothing more than an artificial act that is rooted in passionless mockery!
So...
As a friend pointed out... knowingly or unknowingly... it all boils down to what a person believes the crafty serpent means to the ancient narrative of our origin.
Does good "employ" evil to work its ill behind secret doors... or does evil usurp, interject and thrust itself upon Good in an attempt to use its goodness against it?
I've written out my take on this painstakingly and believe that it exists to still a back and forth that almost started again.
Here it is quoted in its entirety and void of the intermission that I had included...
All of God's best to all of you...
- EE
One note... there are places where you may need to link to the original OP to see all quotation and verses... as quotes didn't "quote"... into this OP.
What is the Strongest proof text for classical Origonal Sin? (Romans 5:18)
Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
In close evaluation it seems cut and dry... but note... judgment enters through one man's offense. This verse does not say that Adams sin was imputed to all men... it says judgment entered through one man.
God doesn't judge like the judge this verse is referring to, judges... we know this by these words...
John 8:15 (editing in... [MENTION=8445]DAN P[/MENTION] had an excellent point of observation that allowed me to further clarify the intent of posting this scripture... Link here
You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one.
Did you catch that? Jesus doesn't judge according to the flesh! That means that the Adversary does this and it is the "Mark or Seal" of those he has deceived!
This logically leads one to ask what offense condemns the whole world and who is condemning it? Who is the originator of sin?
Ezekiel 28:15 & Ezek. 28:17
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you. ... “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;.
Did you see it? The heart is lifted up with pride when we look to "ourselves". God judges the heart! This is the mechanism that the Devil thirsts to turn against mankind and God. By convincing us to "Be like Jesus", the Devil is corrupting our hearts! He's a roaring lion, seeking to whom he may devour! His tactics are lame and tiresome, but that crafty old dragon keeps corrupting the source of our redemption by tainting the doctrine with lies and inconsistency that cover up his simple deceit!
Isaiah 14:14
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Who is the "Most High"? I'll give you a hint... HE has the name above ALL names.
Genesis 3:5
For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Why does this matter? It matters because the very originator of sin has fooled the majority of the church into missing his tired old tactics. He wanted to be like God! Pride!
The Original Sin is Pride and a desire to "Be Like God".
The creation is forever imperfect in comparison to the Creator. Flesh is a quick word to refer to all of creation with. All of creation that is alive has some form of covering or flesh. Even the dust of the earth is likened to flesh.
Satan... that old dragonesk serpent... wanted to "be like God". He wanted God's authority and dominion. The fallout from all of this? We are deceived to believe that sin is complex and that every action we do throughout the day could disconnect us from God. This is the shame and deceit that made Adam and Eve cover their bodies. Shame of what? Shame of God's provision! Their bodies were the cloths of their soul that God had made and upon being deceived... they were ashamed of God's "WORK" and drawn to focus on themselves.
Satan became the father and ruler of this world... or "federal head" of this world by getting us to cast our vote for him in Eden. (2 Co. 4:4; John 14:30)
Flesh exaltation is the Devils seal of ownership. All doctrine fails if it hides the fact that Satan wants us to try to meet the standards of God's perfection. When the creation takes its eyes off of the Creator to focus on what they need to DO to "be like God"... the Devil wins!
Sin entered the world because we were deceived... God's perfection became our obsession by the deceit of innocent children by the Originator of "Unbelief in our Creator's perfect design!"
God cleared this matter up and Original Sin is eradicated! I'll address this in the next OP... as this is the first of an [MENTION=18375]Evil.Eye.<(I)>[/MENTION], multi part study.
I'll drop the solution in raw scripture, but for now... it's time to focus on the problem.
Solution (John. 16:9-11)
I would like to thank [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] for inspiring me to write this OP with his fantastic OP... LINK HERE
Recap... from previous OP Series Pieces...SpoilerThe first OP in this series is Linked HERE.
Connecting the DOTS. It serves two main purposes...
1} Original Sin was committed by Satan
2) It is Pride
Noted OP affirmation) The most on target follow through on this matter was contributed by [MENTION=10]Jerry Shugart[/MENTION] HERE.
Moving forward to the next DOT in this connect the DOTS discussion...
[MENTION=16688]Danoh[/MENTION] , [MENTION=6141]Nick M[/MENTION] , and [MENTION=8957]dodge[/MENTION] brought some excellent discussion to the OVER ARCHING matter of this multi OP series.
[MENTION=16688]Danoh[/MENTION] continually pointed out that Jesus' temptations in the wilderness were a key to this matter and further iterated James 1:13f, 15f to drive home that there are strong biblical keys to this matter.
[MENTION=8957]dodge[/MENTION] had a cross dialogue with Nick M and Danoh that centered around the OP and Danoh's points.
[MENTION=6141]Nick M[/MENTION] stole some of my thunder and accentuated some of the need for further information to support the full OP point in the first of the Series and in-fact, in doing so, is the inception of this next OP.
There seems to be a missing understanding in the minds of people who grasp the concept of "Classical Original Sin". It is specifically noted in the lack of application of the following 2 passages in scripture that must... I Repeat... MUST... be taken into account when evaluating Original Sin, from a biblical perspective.
I'm expressing the verses to prepare you, the reader, for the coming exposition in this OP dialogue. (1 Cor. 15:55f) and (Heb. 2:14)
Now... How do these verses come in handy? They come in handy for the following answer to a valid point that Nick M made.
I had said...
To which Nick M. responded...
In specific notation of my verbiage that "JUDGMENT" entered through one man, vs. "Classical Original Sin" doctrine with states that "Sin" was "Imputed" to all men via Adam.
The fear of many people is observed... "as they say" that the "Gospel" is being undercut by suggesting that Adam's sin wasn't imputed through one man. The logic here is that Sin entered through one man and thus Jesus, as ONE "Man", removed "All Sin".
This is totally understandable... but...
Read my Lips...
It is biblicaly inaccurate to say that "Sin" was IMPUTED through Adam, or that Jesus took on "Adam's" "SIN".
To be biblicaly accurate... we must understand an UNHOLY Trinity. Enter Heb. 2:14f, 16 and the first OP of this SERIES...
Heb. 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham.
Heb. 2:14-16 has been dropped and two of my points are already vindicated...
The Devil is the guilty party of original sin and I am now revealing that Christ took the devil on with the cross. This is more than biblical! It is the reoccurring theme in scripture! Note how Hebrews 2 says that The Devil "Had" the power of "Death" and then it goes on to state that God doesn't "Give Aid to Angels". There can be no coincidence here! It is cut and dry. The old Angelic Goat is the "Originator" of "Sin".
Now... lets "flesh" this matter out with 1 Corinthians.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
Enter the "Unholy Trinity"...
Law, Sin and Death... The Law is Good! Sin is any action that deviates from God's perfection and Death isn't a thing... it's a NAME in this particular passage. If a guy puts mail in my mail box for a living, I can call him the "Post Man". If an Angel has the "Power of Death" then I can call him "DEATH".
What does this mean? It means that 1 Corinthians 15:54-56 is saying that The "DEVIL" used "SIN" to impute "LAW" upon mankind. What is Sin? (John 16:9) Unbelief in God. Specifically... Unbelief in God's utter Provisional Perfection and Love.
But... How can the "DEVIL's" power be the "LAW"? Easy as pie r squared! Example... The bible is Good... but Satan uses the bible to corrupt man's understanding of God by "Lying" about what it is actually saying, in a way that makes God look like a HATEFUL agent of OPPRESSION. (John 8:44; Matthew 23:33; 12:34) The perfection of God is our ROCK FOUNDATION! But if we are tricked into believing that we have to "BE LIKE THE ROCK", we are no longer "BUILT ON THAT ROCK FOUNDATION", but attempting to "BUILD OURSELVES INTO A FOUNDATION". Let us be realistic here... there is only ONE Foundation of ALL CREATION, and it isn't us.
Adam didn't "sin" in a way that imputed his Sin, or Propensity to "sin" onto all humanity. If a "Spiritually Alive" being is Perfect LIKE GOD, than Adam and Satan, could not have fallen, or been subject to "TEMPTATION". Adam didn't even "sin" in a way that was steeped with "unbelief". Eve, on the other hand... did "sin" in a way that was steeped with "unbelief". (1 Tim. 2:14) Eve was "Deceived". The Devil was the "Deceiver", and ADAM, clearly didn't want to "Live Without His Wife". This is why Adam is likened unto Christ... not because he is the failure and Jesus is the Righteous ONE, but because Adam couldn't "Save Eve", by taking on "Death". Only God could and DID do that!
Is there a verse that "Brings this Home"?
Thank you Nick! So see... Adam is the "Christ typification figure" and Eve is the "Bride of Christ figure". This is why "Judgment entered through ADAM" and was "PROPITIATED" through Jesus.
It's a LOVE STORY!!!
The Law was brought on upon man by Eve and Adam's response to the DEVIL. The Devil is the TEMPTER, ACCUSER, OPPRESSOR, LIAR, SELF APPOINTED JUDGE and seeker of the THRONE OF GOD.
Do you now understand why it is so vile to reduce "Original Sin" down to Adam's "GUILT" being imputed upon all mankind? It takes the 1 John 4:8 and 1 Cor. 13 out of the matter!
A JUST GOD DOES NOT IMPUTE SIN TO BABIES! A JUST God DOES provide consequence for ALL SIN! (2 Cor. 5:21; Luke 22:42 and 1 John 2:2)
[MENTION=6696]Lon[/MENTION] ... I'm sorry friend... but "classical original sin" and the idea that Adam's sin was imputed to all mankind is what actually hurts the CROSS and HE who brought it POWER. God didn't take ADAM's Sin on, on the Cross. God took the "IMPUTATION" of the LAW on, on the cross.
Otherwise... these verses would be rendered worthless...
Romans 4:15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.
"Drink this Cup"... of what? Wrath! Wrath brought on by initial IMPUTATION of and THEN the transgression of THE LAW. Eve acted out of ignorance and Adam acted out of Love. It isn't until Cain that we see the ACTUAL TRANSGRESSION of the LAW. And this adds up, because God warns Cain... "Gen. 4:7 If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.”
Romans 5:13 For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Here... we see that "Sin" predates Law... Yet Paul says this... "Romans 7:9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died."
So, how could Sin predate the Law and yet Paul suggests that he was ALIVE without the Law? Romans clearly states that where there is NO LAW, there is NO SIN.
The following is a major counter thesis to Classical Original Sin Doctrine.
Sin has a NAME...
"DEATH/GOAT/DEVIL/ACCUSER/FALSE or DARK MORNING STAR/LIAR/DRAGON/ADVERSARY/SATAN" and he was alive before Adam and Eve were alive, and all humanity for that matter. Thus, debating Imputation of Sin upon mankind is false.
Law was imputed and because of this... Sin (Satan) was afforded the opportunity to IMPUTE SIN (himself) upon mankind... which results in ETERNAL DEATH! (Rm. 6:23)
Who fixed all of this for us? (Romans 5:18)
This was complex... but I wanted to be thorough... The verses that dole out consequence in specifics to Adam and Eve will have to wait for the next OP in this series. There is no doubt that the Tree's, Adam, Eve, God, satan and specific events and response must be discussed next OP. But... I'm trying to let this OP series flow organically... so... WHO KNOWS?
As for the clobbering of original sin to the point that it is dealt with..., I guess that will have to wait a bit, as well. We have to get the Why down, before we get to the "WHY NOT".
A quick Recap of parts 1 to 3...God (Elohim) ... Trees (Life ... The knowledge of Good and Evil) ... gods (Satan and Humanity) ... The Fall (The implications of ALL scripture)SpoilerThe first of the Series LINK
1) Satan is the originator of Sin and the TRUE "Original" Sin is Pride
2) To say any but "God" can "Be Like God" is the ultimate path of this deception.
The Second Part of the Series LINK
1) Satan is referred to in two ways in some scripture as Death and Sin.
2) Heb. 2:14, Romans 7 and 1 Co. 15:55f must be taken into account to generate accurate "Biblical" Original Sin doctrine.
3) Judgment came through the Law and was imputed through the Devil's Deceit of "Eve" (1 Tim. 2:14)
4) Adam's response is judged from the "Flesh" in "Classical" OS doctrine, when Paul and Peter reveal a far more intimate "meaning" of everything that occurred in the "Garden".
The Third Part of the Series LINK
1) The Spirit is the very Spirit that binds our flesh to soul
2) Spiritual Death is Spiritual "Disconnection or Blindness"
3) God does not break His own commands by binding Innocence to condemnation, before inception
4) We are all in utter need of God and ALL fall short of the very GLORY of God (Heb. 1:3)
I will be back to generate the fourth part of this OP, but feel free to piece together the information from 1 - 3 to get a jump start on this 4th portion.
Let's put GOD FIRST ...
YHVH ... YHWH ... JHVH ... JHWH (The tetragrammaton) ... GOD
Who walked among Adam and Eve? (Gen. 3:8)
We have scripture that Reveals this...
Exodus 40:34 Then the cloud covered the tabernacle of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 35 And Moses was not able to enter the tabernacle of meeting, because the cloud rested above it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. 36 Whenever the cloud was taken up from above the tabernacle, the children of Israel would go onward in all their journeys. 37 But if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not journey till the day that it was taken up. 38 For the cloud of the Lord was above the tabernacle by day, and fire was over it by night, in the sight of all the house of Israel, throughout all their journeys.
There are over 100 scriptures to drive the point home... but I'll simply site 3 that bring this matter home.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,
1 Corinthians 10 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.
Exodus 33:18-23
18 And he said, “Please, show me Your glory.”
19 Then He said, “I will make all My goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” 20 But He said, “You cannot see My face; for no man shall see Me, and live.” 21 And the Lord said, “Here is a place by Me, and you shall stand on the rock. 22 So it shall be, while My glory passes by, that I will put you in the cleft of the rock, and will cover you with My hand while I pass by. 23 Then I will take away My hand, and you shall see My back; but My face shall not be seen.”
I'll add this final scripture to cinch this matter up...
Philippians 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Jesus is the very PRESENCE or GLORY of the Father! This is why Jesus says...
John 14:9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
And Again...
John 10:30 "I and My Father are one.”
And Again...
John 1:18
18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
We know now that every Theophany (Physical Presence of God) in scripture is none other than the SON of God!
If that's not enough to make my jaw drop... The very presence of God is now married to the very flesh of ALL of us, as (Per the Gospels) He was conceived by the "Holy Spirit", "Born of a Virgin" and seen by mankind... then per Acts chapter 1, the Son ascended in corporeal Form to Heaven!
This never fails to give me chills of amazement!
Thus the Son Walked with Adam and Eve in the Garden.
And now... note that each individual discussion topic will be divided by posting to allow this OP to be digested in portions.
TREES... Link to the TREES portion of this OP
gods... Link to the gods portion of this OP
The Fall ... This will be edited in and linked within the next 24 hours. I will add the words OP series Part 4 Complete to the Editing portion of the OP when the OP is complete.
Fair Disclosure...
I will come clean... I've decided to dedicate a part of this OP series to the Fall. You have read into my very motive of wording. And indeed.. Noone can deny that the result of the events in the garden, including "Adam's" disobedience were "Evil". OP part 5 will be entitled "The Fall" and explore passages in scripture that enunciate the very "motives" of Adam and Eve.
Good "Eye" and note that you beat me to the question that leads into the next OP part. I will add to the OP to show that this matter has been discussed here to prepare for part 5.
The following LINKED HERE 4th Part OP in this series fills in the gaps of discussion and links to all previous portions of this series.
Buckle Up… This one won’t be short. I would apologize… but the scripturally lazy reap what they “sew”, and this is too important a topic to weaken by trying to hammer out a rapid OP on. This is the “heart” of the “Biblical” doctrine of “Original Sin”.
Things to keep in mind as you read this
Nakedness is a “lacking”.
Adam and Eve were ONE FLESH.
God looks to the "Heart", not the "Flesh".
Scriptural List of Raw scriptures used to back up this OP’s Assertion.SpoilerCore Scriptures(The Deceiver) Revelation 12:9; For all the “Nay Sayers” that want to take the devil out of the doctrine… note that you are denying “SCRIPTURE” that spans from Genesis to Revelation… and… that’s not a good idea!SpoilerJohn 12:31; Luke 10:18; 2 Cor. 4:4; John 8:44; Rev. 20:10; Rev. 20:2-3; Rev. 12:3; 1 John 5:19; 1 Pet. 5:8; 2 Thes. 2:9f, 11; 2 Co. 11:3; Gen. 3:1; Rm. 16:20; John 16:11; John 14:30; Luke 13:16; Mt. 25:41; Mt. 4:10; Is. 14:12; Rv. 19:20; Rv. 18:23; Rv. 18:2; Rv. 16:14; Rv. 12:7; Rv. 9:20; Rv. 2:24; Jd. 1:9; 1 John 3:8-10; Heb. 2:14; 2 Tim. 3:13; 1 Tim. 3:6-7; 1 Tim. 2:14; 2 Thes. 2:3; Eph. 4:14; 2 Cor. 12:7; 2 Cor. 11:14; 2 Co. 2:11; Rm. 16:18; Acts 26:18; Acts 5:3; Luke 22:31; Luke 22:3; Luke 8:12; Mt. 24:24; Mt. 13:39; Mt. 4:8; Mt. 4:5; Mt. 4:1; Zech. 3:1F; Ezek. 28:16; Is. 27:1; Ps. 109:5; Job 2:1-2; Job 1:6f, 8f, 10f, 12; 1 Chr. 21:1; Gen. 3:13; Gen. 3:4f;
(The Deceived) 1 Tim. 2:14; Gen. 3:6; Gen. 3:13; 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Thes. 3:5; Rev. 12:15
(The Heart Broken Groom of Self-Sacrifice) Rm. 8:2; Rm. 5:14; John 6:57; John 5:21; Gen. 2:7; Gen. 2:23; Gen. 2:24; Eph. 5:30; Eph. 5:25; Mt. 19:3f, 5f, 7f, 9; Eph. 5:28f, 30f; 1 Co. 6:16f; 1 Co. 7:10f; 1 Pt. 3:1f, 3f, 5f, 7; 1 Co. 7:2f, 4; Rm. 7:2; Pr. 31:10; Pr. 12:4; 1 Tim. 5:14; Acts 11:23; Joshua 23:8; Dt. 4:4; Lev. 22:12f; Gn. 31:14f, Gn. 24:58f;
(Love Trumps ALL) John 15:13; 1 John 2:7; 3:11; Lev. 19:18; 2 John 1:5f; Mk. 12:29f, 31f, 33f, 35f; Gal. 5:13f; Rm. 13:8f, 10; Mt. 22:37f, 39f; 1 John 3:23; 1 John 2:24; James 2:8f, 10f, 12; Mt. 5:43; Dt. 6:5; Lev. 19:34Order of Discussion…
1) The actual verbiage of the Account in Spoiler and Markup format
2) The Dragon
3) Eve
4) Eve is a typification of all Humanity, but especially “Israel”… Handing the “Groom” over to “Death”.
5) Adam is a typification of JESUS not SATAN!
6) It’s a Love story to those that believe GOD is Love and Look to the Heart, while resisting the Satanic urge to “Judge the Flesh” as Satan teaches!
7) Who told you that you were “Lacking” … (Naked)
The actual verbiage of the Account in Spoiler and Markup formatSpoilerGenesis 3:11A.Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, 1B.‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
1A. Note who is introduced first in this chapter? Who is the origin of all sin?
1B. No you lying Serpent! You are no liberator! God is the AUTHOR of HUMAN Free Will! (Gen. 2:16)
2 And the woman said to the serpent, “2A.We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, 3A.nor shall you touch it, lest 3B.you die.’”
2A. Way to go Eve! You have continued to believe that God is the Author of Free Will and the Lover of your soul!
3A. Damnit Eve! Seriously! He never said that! (2 Co. 11:3; 2 Pt. 3:17) He said this! (Gen. 2:17)
3B. Eve! He said “Surely Die”! The dragon is moving rapidly to ensnare your childlike faith through vein tales of lies and false promises!
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, 4A.“You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and 4B.you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
4A. Way to go Dragon! (Sarcasm) You just officially twisted God’s wording. Just wait till Daddy rectifies things!
4B. The Dragon sinks his rotten teeth into Eve with his self-imbibed lie! (Is. 14:14; Is. 46:5)
6 6A. So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that 6B. it was pleasant to the eyes, and 6C. a tree desirable to make one wise, 6D.she took of its fruit and ate. 6E.She also gave to her husband with her, 6F. and he ate.
6A. Now the appeal of the Lie is “Visible” and Eve begins to believe she is lacking something… as if God would ever leave us “Lacking”.
6B. Lust of the Eyes
6C. Lust of the Flesh. But the actual fruit was fruit that was perfect by the Loving Creators WORK and Knowledge. After all... God had the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and this can only mean one thing... that we were only lacking the Knowledge of GOD. Why is this important? Because only God can "Handle" such "Knowledge" and yet Judge and Choose right from wrong perfectly and righteously. (Col. 1:16)
6D. And now the deal is sealed and deception enters the world through Eve!
6E. (John 19:11) … “We”... (But especially His Bride… “National Israel”) handed Him over to die, but the one who “Deceived” has the deep SIN accounted to him… The Dragon. Eve had no “Authority” over Adam! Only God had authority over Adam and God and Adam allowed Eve to “Choose”.
6F. (Mt. 26:39)
7 7A. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and 7B.they knew that they were naked; and 7C.they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.
7A. Spiritually Dead (Blind)
7B. They felt “Lacking” when knowing the PERFECTION of God! They felt Shame for what God had made them. They questioned the Creator’s Workmanship and began to be Ashamed of the very Creator’s WORK.
7C. They began to try to make themselves right in the eyes of GOD with foolish effort and cover their shame with foolish attempts at correcting their error. God clearly respected their bodies as His perfect work and was saddened that Adam and Eve now felt SHAME and “Lacking”.
8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
God walked among Adam and Eve and by deception… “Eve” and “Adam” were now hiding from the One that “Loved them as they were” (Rm. 5:8), though “Eve” had believed the deception of one that destroys (Rv. 9:11) and as God made Adam of LOVE… Adam would rather be “Destroyed” than lose the “Bone of his Bone and Flesh of his Flesh”! (Eph. 5:25)
9 Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?”
The implications of this one question, asked by God, are EARTH Shattering to any weary traveler. He is ALWAYS seeking out that ONE "Lost Sheep"!
10 So he said, “10A. I heard Your voice in the garden, and 10B. I was afraid because I was naked; and 10C. I hid myself.”
10A. Adam could still “hear” the WORD.
10B. Adam was fearful of God and felt “lacking” in HIS presence.
10C. Adam hid from the ONE that Loved him and his cherished bride.
11 And He said, “11A. Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which 11B. I commanded you that you should not eat?”[/indent]
11A. Who “lied” to you and told you that you were “lacking”?
Don’t Believe Me? Then how about this?
Gen. 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
That’s right! They were both NAKED and NOT or UNASHAMED!
11B. Now that Adam and Eve knew Good and Evil… God addresses them with the word “Commanded”. Order of occurrence and detail… details… details… details…
12 Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”
Gen. 2:23, 24
13 And the LORD God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
1 Tim. 2:14 … no lying from eve… and she admitted to “eating” before God.
14 So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
God clearly assigns the Blame by saying “Because you have DONE THIS” to Satan!
16 To the woman He said:
“I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception;
In pain you shall bring forth children;
Your desire shall be for your husband,
And he shall rule over you.”
“With the wisdom of GOD, comes much SORROW”. Jesus is the Child that will be pined for and Jesus is the Husband that is GOOD that HUMANITY ached for as of that very moment! And indeed… He will Rule over us! Praise Jesus that HE will RULE OVER Us!
17 Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:
Heeding the voice of EVE is prophetic of God heeding our voices in need for HIS REDEMPTION! Adam is now given the solution to his new problem!
“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
The Law is now in full effect to be used by the Serpent, but it is to guide mankind back to God when they are led astray! Note that God says… “For you SAKE”? It’s not a CURSE! It’s the way God paved the way for THE WAY!
18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
Sewn into corruption? Even in Eden… the corrupter came and spoiled God’s initial Work. But the “sweat of Adam’s face” will lead all mankind to the “Living Bread!”
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”
And… DEATH eats Dust! (Heb. 2:14) … it isn’t until Heb. 11:39f that Death no longer separates mankind from God after “Death” of the “Dust”.
20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
God is Creator and Eve is symbolic of “ALL CREATION”. And just to throw a massive MONKEY WRENCH into the idea that we are “Spiritually Dead” at birth… Why is Eve the MOTHER of the Living, though she “Spiritually Died” in Eden? Evil.Grin.<(I)> It’s amazing how much one can learn if Jesus is the center of study and scripture is believed as “God Breathed”, just like us… (Job 33:4)
21 Also for Adam and his wife the LORD God made tunics of skin, and clothed them.
I know the heated debate on this, as I have read it… so I won’t share my perspective on “how” the skin was acquired… but I can say that this is a prophecy that points to passages like this… (Rom. 13:14; Gal. 3:27)
22 Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”— 23 therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. 24 So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.
I do believe that this is where we have been in the last 4 OP’s of this OP series!The Dragon
Rv. 12:9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Who did God say the originator of "Sin" is?
John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Who did God assign the "Blame" of original sin too?
Gen. 3:14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
Who did GOD JUDGE on the CROSS?
Hebrews 2:14
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
Are you not that certain yet? Do you really "Blame" Adam for the Sin that is "In the WORLD"?
Do we now JUDGE God's workmanship? Do you really want to answer one of lifes deepest questions without compassion, Mercy, understanding and with only a "handful" of verses?
Incase you are resistant to understanding that the DRAGON is the "Originator" of Sin... and DECEPTION... please go back to the top and open the spoiler for supporting verses about the Deceiver.
Eve
1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
This is ALL of us... not just Eve! The Deciever has recruits now that assist him in the corruption of the soul and no amount of SHELTER can stave off his initial attack, because we aren't Jesus (Heb. 4:15).
Gen. 3:13 And the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?”
The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
Not buying it? Paul say about this?
2 Corinthians 12:9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
What? Did Paul just explain that we are all "Weak" like Eve? He sure did! And what came of weakness? Our Heavenly Bone of our Bone and Flesh of our Flesh was Exalted in Power, by laying His life down for ALL of Us!
What does Peter say?
1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, likewise, dwell with them with understanding, giving honor to the wife, as to the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life, that your prayers may not be hindered.
There it is again! The Bride is likened unto ALL HUMANITY and The Husband is Likened unto Adam and Christ. It's almost like the entire NEW TESTAMENT does this! (This is MILK and the Dispensational MEAT of the matter can be revealed another time.)
2 Cor. 11:3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
There it is again... Eve is noted as being deceived by the serpent, but now CHRIST is likened unto ADAM. Imagine that!
1 Thes. 3:5 For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain.
What's this? Now Eve is being likened unto "ALL BELIEVERS"? Temptation is being attributed to the Tempter AGAIN! Why is ALL scripture agreeing with me? Could it be because I'm agreeing with ALL scripture... on this specific point?
Rev. 12:15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood.
Now look! Eve... the "Woman" is likened unto ISRAEL and the SERPENT is trying to sweep her away into ETERNAL DEATH! (Jude 1:9 and Daniel 10:13) ... Why is the Dragon in so much scripture as the ORIGINATOR OF SIN? This is in direct conflict with "Classical original sin"... Someone needs to "Correct the Bible"! (Sarcasm)
Adam is a typification of JESUS not SATAN!
1 Co. 15:45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Here is the connection between Adam and Christ. Now lets evaluate what really happened with a verse I overquote!
Hebrews 2:14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
Why does this verse LIKEN PARTAKING of "Flesh and Blood" unto "Eating" something and then Christ goes forward and "Eats" the same thing? Seriously? I'm all ears? Why is Christ's act of Heb. 2:14 likened unto PARTAKING of the Fruit that was Forbidden, like ADAM did?
Maybe Paul has some help here?
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death.
Same Tree being used, but when GOD uses it... LIFE is Given. When the creation uses it... (Specifically Satan)... Death is wrought forth! Life giving SPIRIT? vs. Heb. 2:14... which reveals who brings Sin and Death in that ties to (1 Co. 15:55f)
So... Why is Satan's origin of sin likened unto Adam? Why is Adam blamed by much of the "Classical Church Doctrine"?
SCRIPTURAL IGNORANCE!!!
It's about to get r-e-a-l up in h-e-r-e! BONE OF MY BONE!!!
Let's go forward now!
It’s a Love story to those that believe GOD is Love and Look to the Heart, while resisting the Satanic urge to “Judge the Flesh” as Satan teaches!
Sorry Augustine Fans... My foot is now on the head of the "Classical Doctrine" and I'm reaching for my SWORD!
Romans 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
Sure... Adam made a snap judgment... but... was it "Evil"? Let's look at how ADAM was a genuine TYPIFICATION of Jesus!
Adam could have said... EVE... YOU MORON... "Edith... You're a real PIP... you knows that?" and then thrown the fruit on the ground and walked off.
But... Who does that? ... (Mt. 26:15)... Was Adam a "JUDAS"?
Ephesians 5:25
Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her,
1 Peter 3:7
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
Colossians 3:19
Husbands, love your wives, and do not be harsh with them.
Ephesians 5:28
In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself.
Ephesians 5:2
And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God.
Genesis 2:24
Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
Galatians 1:4
who gave himself for our sins to deliver us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Ephesians 5:33
However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
Galatians 2:20
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Matthew 20:28
even as the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
Revelation 5:9
And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were slain, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation,
1 Timothy 2:6
who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.
Proverbs 5:18-19
Let your fountain be blessed, and rejoice in the wife of your youth, a lovely deer, a graceful doe. Let her breasts fill you at all times with delight; be intoxicated always in her love.
2 Samuel 12:3
but the poor man had nothing but one little ewe lamb, which he had bought. And he brought it up, and it grew up with him and with his children. It used to eat of his morsel and drink from his cup and lie in his arms, and it was like a daughter to him.
Genesis 24:67
Then Isaac brought her into the tent of Sarah his mother and took Rebekah, and she became his wife, and he loved her. So Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.
How about the HEAVY HITTERS THAT Bring this HOME!
Ephesians 5:30
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
I was going to write more on this... but... I can feel it!
It's a LOVE STORY! And I'm armed to the teeth with scripture to defend the Love of God that was seen in ADAM who bore the very IMAGE of GOD as we DO!
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Original Sin has been abolished? Pride and Unbelief are subdued?
Yes! Though many will reject Him to His Face... the Loving Groom has not rejected them. The Love story ripples outward from a people of oppression that further enunciate the Garden account.
East of Eden... this is the direction we were cast from. Our journey is concluded by Him who rises in the East.
The Dragon deceived Eve... and Eve shared death with her Love. Adam partook of Death and suffered the dragon's sting. A mere mortal of flesh and blood, he was powerless to the one who had the power of death.
The Dragon sought the Bride of God... and the Bride of God partook of his lies. The mourning Groom didn't allow the Dragon to prevail. He too, partook of Death's Sting... and in doing so... the very power of Satan was lifted up... but three days later... Satan was conquered by the King of Kings, as Jesus stripped the very "key" to the fate of mankind from the Dragon.
In the dragon's greatest glory... he was cast from heaven! His pride went before his fall and his kingdom of dust began to slip between his fingers.
Love truly conquers ALL and Loves rule is the surest thing to be promised!
He Loves the whore, embraces the murderer, lays His well being down for His enemies, honors the dishonorable and counts the unrighteous Priceless beyond compare.
He is the Lover of our Soul and All knees will bow, every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the very GLORY of the Father. (Php. 2:9f; Heb. 1:3)
What cost Him everything... is free to us. It must simply be accepted as it is freely given.
Now... the Dragon is defeated and only armed with the weapon of deception. In this race we run.. all we must do is hang on to the faithful promise of the Selfless Groom that never, ever, fails the failing. He is faithful to unfaithful we.
He is that which His is and the I Am will always be our perfect Love that casts out ALL of our fears.
Link to the OP series that preceded this OP
Long live the King and forever hail His honorable Name! Jesus is, was and forever will be the solution. He, and He alone, is worthy of all surrender and praise!
