ECT Parable of the Kingdom of Heaven explained

whitestone

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Like I have told you, as long as you continue to be a Dispensationalist, you have an agenda, and have to have them different.

Nothing more I do will convince you otherwise.

thats not quite correct,,,

If the Jews who were in the siege in ad70 did not worship Caesar as God and refused to use his money, Revelation 13:17 KJV ,,,then how can it be proved that they took the mark of the beast?

It only seems fair to ask why God the almighty would kill a million 100 thousand Jews who revolted against Caesar/Rome prior to ad66 ,,,why would God destroy Israel if they repented and refused Caesar/Rome as God? ,,,

leaves no hope in repentance if they were casting off Rome/Caesar worship and stood their ground to their death in defiance of Rome if they had the mark...
 

DAN P

Well-known member
thats not quite correct,,,

If the Jews who were in the siege in ad70 did not worship Caesar as God and refused to use his money, Revelation 13:17 KJV ,,,then how can it be proved that they took the mark of the beast?

It only seems fair to ask why God the almighty would kill a million 100 thousand Jews who revolted against Caesar/Rome prior to ad66 ,,,why would God destroy Israel if they repented and refused Caesar/Rome as God? ,,,

leaves no hope in repentance if they were casting off Rome/Caesar worship and stood their ground to their death in defiance of Rome if they had the mark...


Hi and what you have descrobed did not HAPPEN ( in 70 AD ) BUT will happen in the Great Tribulation when those that accept the 666 number will be used !!:crackup::crackup:

dan p
 

whitestone

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Hi and what you have descrobed did not HAPPEN ( in 70 AD ) BUT will happen in the Great Tribulation when those that accept the 666 number will be used !!:crackup::crackup:

dan p

lol,,thats the point,,,


(If) Caesar was the beast as 70aism teaches then it can be proven by Josephus,Jewish wars that those in Jerusalem in ad70 " DID NOT HAVE THE MARK,NOR USE HIS MONEY",,,,

on the other hand (if) Caesar was the beast whose mark was taken i.e. buy and sell with his mark,,,then the apostles were instructing the churches to "honor the masters above them",i.e. Rome/Caesar and so were telling them it was fine to receive the mark ,,,,,,,,but that cant be right can it?
 

DAN P

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lol,,thats the point,,,


(If) Caesar was the beast as 70aism teaches then it can be proven by Josephus,Jewish wars that those in Jerusalem in ad70 " DID NOT HAVE THE MARK,NOR USE HIS MONEY",,,,

on the other hand (if) Caesar was the beast whose mark was taken i.e. buy and sell with his mark,,,then the apostles were instructing the churches to "honor the masters above them",i.e. Rome/Caesar and so were telling them it was fine to receive the mark ,,,,,,,,but that cant be right can it?



He and you are OFF by almost 2000 years , don't you see as the Great Tribulation is YET FUTURE !!:mock::mock:


DAN P
 
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ttruscott

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Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
The parables were given to the disciples to know the mysteries of the kingdom. If it was given to the disciples, then we as Christians should be able to understand too.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The ‘good seed’ are believers.
The ‘tares’ are the wicked.
The field is the ‘world’ the Greek word here is:
kosmos
kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
The harvest is the end of the ‘world’ the Greek word here is:
áé̓ών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
So, the harvest was to come at the end of the ‘age of Law’ the last day, resurrection day., that is the age the disciples were living in.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
end of this ‘world’ the Greek word here is also ‘aion’.
áé̓ών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
So, the wicked were to be gathered up at the end of the ‘age of Law’ the last day, resurrection day, and burned.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
All that offend and do iniquity are the tares, the wicked.

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The wicked (tares) will be gathered up and cast into a furnace of fire.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The righteous are the good seed and they will stay in the field (world).

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Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. [/COLOR]
Jesus repeats the message and then asks them, “Have ye understood all these things?”. They answered ‘Yes”.

Most prophecy teachers can not answer ‘yes’ to Jesus’ question, can you.?.

Excuse me, but you messed up Matt 39 which really reads Matt 13:36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”

Matt 13:37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels. having left out the crucial element 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil....

IF the devil sows his people into the world then this cannot be referring to their creation eh, as the devil cannot create, right? And does this not also imply that we are separated into the people of the kingdom and the people of the evil one before our being sown? And if to be sown means to be taken from a place of storage and scattered into a place of growth, (aka the world) where is the place of storage ??? if not the place of the spirits, Sheol?

Is this hard to take in? Why do you think He immediately said,"Whoever has ears, let them hear." ? since if this is rejected there is nothing mysterious nor controversial about this parable at all...
 

Interplanner

Well-known member
thats not quite correct,,,

If the Jews who were in the siege in ad70 did not worship Caesar as God and refused to use his money, Revelation 13:17 KJV ,,,then how can it be proved that they took the mark of the beast?

It only seems fair to ask why God the almighty would kill a million 100 thousand Jews who revolted against Caesar/Rome prior to ad66 ,,,why would God destroy Israel if they repented and refused Caesar/Rome as God? ,,,

leaves no hope in repentance if they were casting off Rome/Caesar worship and stood their ground to their death in defiance of Rome if they had the mark...


It wasn't a matter of refusing Caesar any more than Paul did in Acts 26 (he generally obeyed, but wanted Roman admins to live honest and righteous). Paul wanted the whole generation to be missionaries of the Gospel, and it was inevitable that if they did not, they would devolve into freedom-fighting for theocratic reasons.
 

Notaclue

New member
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
The parables were given to the disciples to know the mysteries of the kingdom. If it was given to the disciples, then we as Christians should be able to understand too.

Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
The ‘good seed’ are believers.
The ‘tares’ are the wicked.
The field is the ‘world’ the Greek word here is:
kosmos
kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; orderly arrangement, that is, decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally]): - adorning, world.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
The harvest is the end of the ‘world’ the Greek word here is:
áé̓ών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
So, the harvest was to come at the end of the ‘age of Law’ the last day, resurrection day., that is the age the disciples were living in.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
end of this ‘world’ the Greek word here is also ‘aion’.
áé̓ών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end).
So, the wicked were to be gathered up at the end of the ‘age of Law’ the last day, resurrection day, and burned.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
All that offend and do iniquity are the tares, the wicked.

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
The wicked (tares) will be gathered up and cast into a furnace of fire.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
The righteous are the good seed and they will stay in the field (world).

Mat 13:44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.
Mat 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Mat 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Mat 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Mat 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
Mat 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.

Jesus repeats the message and then asks them, “Have ye understood all these things?”. They answered ‘Yes”.

Most prophecy teachers can not answer ‘yes’ to Jesus’ question, can you.?.


Matt.13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Kingdom of the Son has tares in it.....Kingdom of the Father has no tares in it.


1Cor.15:24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Rev.21:22And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it,

The Lamp is the Lamb.


Rev.22:1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.


They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light,


They will need no light of Lamb !


1Jn.1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that 'God is light.' and in him is no darkness at all.

1Cor.15:28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Peace.
 

intojoy

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Banned
Kingdom of God was substituted with kingdom of heaven by Matthew for respect of Jewish sensitivity to the use of the name G-d.

The kingdom of heaven is in its mystery form today.
From the mediatoriol phase to its monarchical phase, the messianic phase was rejected in Mt 12 and the kingdom has gone into mystery form as described by the parables. 3 measures of meal (1) Romanism (2) Greek Orthodoxy (3) Protestantism etc.

The kingdom will materialize at the second coming and will be the millennial phase followed by the eternal order.
 

iamaberean

New member
Matt.13:41. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.


Kingdom of the Son has tares in it.....Kingdom of the Father has no tares in it.

Peace.

Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Here we see that those that believe on him shall not be judged, for their sins have been forgiven.
So, who are those being judged, those that had lived under the law, the Jews.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Judgment came upon those that had lived under the law and it was Jesus that would be the judge. As it has been pointed out, that happened in 70 AD.

After Jesus judged the tares one can see they never make it to the Father's kingdom and believers will never be judged, for their sins have been remitted, thus:
There are no tares in the Fathers kingdom.
 
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