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ECT Our salvation, by the will of God or the will of man?
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nikolai_42
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I still would ask "What happens if no one chooses life?"
Could that passage not be largely revelatory (i.e. reveal what is in one's heart) rather than merely prescriptive (i.e. do it regardless)? In other words, is it not possible that God had already worked in the hearts of those who would choose life? It's still a command and still a choice, but if "The word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it." doesn't that point to the power and ability of conformity being in the living, active Word of God? That's why Hebrews 4:12 (as I read it) places all the emphasis on the Word itself (not just Himself).
And it was one Augustine who said something expressing much the same thing in a different way :
Grant what thou commandest and then command what thou wilt.
It's not the will of man that is in view, it's the Word of God.
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We must let it say what it says that death can only be the result.
Could that passage not be largely revelatory (i.e. reveal what is in one's heart) rather than merely prescriptive (i.e. do it regardless)? [/quote]
Can obedience to any command, ever be revelatory? When God requires our obedience for His ultimate intentions to come to fruition, how should we act? How should Adam have acted? Why? How did Jesus act? Why?
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nikolai_42
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I'm pretty sure the rich young ruler Jesus encountered would have denied that there was any revelatory value in the command. Until, that is, he went away sorrowful....
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Why do you ask?
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Here is another example of man's responsibility for his salvation to be made effective in his present day life that points up the need for having a sustaining vision for his eternal salvation purposed in God. Pondering this should raise the question "what is salvation that it is purposed for God?":
"That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God" Colossians 1:10 (KJV)
It is plain to see the "Natural" of Deut 6:3 ff to the "Spiritual" of Rom.8:1 ff, connection.
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You mean one that agrees with your conclusions?
You start a thread, be ready to discuss it.
Why start a tower that you do not have the means to finish?
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I'm always ready to discuss with those who know what "towers" look like.
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oatmeal
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Good.
It is God's will that all men be saved, I Timothy 2:4, but it is up to each individual to choose to meet the requirements to receive that salvation, Romans 10:9-10
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The OP is mine ___ not yours.
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I Corinthians 9:27
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Get on with it!
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Amen!
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Only when someone writings something worth reading.
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Because I want to know if you can recognize the very clear implications of that statement.
Moses, the one you quoted in the OP, just a chapter later tells the nation that he knows there stubborn and rebellious hearts and therefore they will fail.
If their salvation is all up to them to choose, that's not good news, is it?
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Why wouldn't it be good news unless they knew they had to abandon their lives to God and they didn't want to? Can you not see a heart issue in this that God was after from them by the conditional promises He made?
BTW and FWIW, Being born again never changes the challenge when attempting to abandon one's life to God. There is still a dying to self that needs be accomplished.
OMT: They weren't the words of Moses I quoted.