Opinion: American right becoming completely untethered from reality

Arthur Brain

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More crazy:

Pastor Johnny Enlow Says 'Vision' of Donald Trump With 'Golden Scepter' Proves He's President


... mid-prayer, he saw a vision of Trump "seated on a throne holding a golden scepter... [with] a golden crown on his head." He said the vision was Trump's "PRESENT status from heaven's perspective."

"Heaven does not recognize [Joe Biden] having any scepter nor wearing any crown. From heaven's perspective, there is only the legitimacy of [Trump]. God has assigned a massive contingency of angels to that scepter and to that crown."




The cult of Q/MAGA/Trump.
I wish I could say that I was surprised but these days...
 

marke

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Opinion: The American right is becoming completely untethered from reality

Max Boot

When it comes to “information warfare,” illiberal regimes such as Russia have a major advantage over liberal democracies such as the United States. U.S. government agencies such as the State Department’s Global Engagement Center put the best possible spin on U.S. actions but aren’t allowed to simply lie.

By contrast, Russia’s troll farm (formerly known as the Internet Research Agency), its foreign intelligence agency, the SVR, and other organs of the Kremlin are free to spin fantasies out of thin air: Malaysian airliner MH17, shot down by pro-Russian rebels over Ukraine, was actually a victim of the CIA. A democratic revolution in Ukraine was actually a fascist uprising. Western covid-19 vaccines, which have proven highly safe and effective, are actually dangerous.

The Kremlin strategy is not so much to make people believe its individual lies as to make them doubt the very possibility of truth. As the old saying goes: In a world where nothing is true, everything is permitted. . . .

The Republican Party is increasingly catering to people who live in an alternative universe of false narratives spread by media outlets such as Fox News and Newsmax and on social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter and Google/YouTube. A major political movement becoming completely untethered from reality is terrifying to see — and often accompanies the slide into authoritarianism.
Democrat propagandists continue to call the truth a lie and slander honest, accurate, and intelligent new stories as conspiracy theories. That is because the whole democrat political system is built upon lies, corruption and deceit.
 

annabenedetti

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Liz Cheney is vowing behind the scenes that she won’t stop fighting Trump over election ‘Big Lie’

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annabenedetti

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Does this explain a lot... David Horowitz, mentor to Stephen Miller:

In a strategy paper Horowitz emailed Miller in December 2012, as the Republican Party was publicly reckoning with its failure to appeal to communities of color, Horowitz called for Republicans to launch a campaign of fear. He later said they “must begin every confrontation by punching progressives in the mouth.”
 

Lon

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I understand, and I don't disagree.

I've chosen my side. If that's tribal, so be it.
Moderate? Probably a good place with a nation being ripped in half by partisan groups on the extremes (the extremes of both the Right AND the Left are 'untethered' as it were). Politically, I'm still right-leaning on many issues. It is a pleasant enlightenment to read you are too. Tribal? If you and I are 'in the same tribe' then I'd reckon it isn't as tribal as some would accuse. :e4e:
 

annabenedetti

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Moderate? Probably a good place with a nation being ripped in half by partisan groups on the extremes (the extremes of both the Right AND the Left are 'untethered' as it were). Politically, I'm still right-leaning on many issues. It is a pleasant enlightenment to read you are too. Tribal? If you and I are 'in the same tribe' then I'd reckon it isn't as tribal as some would accuse. :e4e:

I'd like to think that as Americans we're in the same tribe, Lon, but I'm pretty discouraged these days about the American tribe. If you were my neighbor and you needed help, I'd give it gladly, but it's an altered reality online, who knows how much of it is bot-driven, how much is armchair bluster and how much is genuine. What I'm reading from the far right is disturbingly delusional but how is it different from the past? How much by kind, how much by degree?

In the psychology of groups, the best indicator of two warring factions finding common ground is when they have to unite to fight an enemy greater than them, who's a threat to them both. In the micro, that's why domestic violence calls can be so dangerous - the chance that the abused partner will join with the abuser against the responding cop. In the macro, that's why right and left (in general) came together behind Bush after 9/11. It didn't last long, but it was there for a time. Before the Iraq invasion, before the Patriot Act, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib.

What I see from conservatives now is (to me) so much worse than the conservatism I left. But then maybe it's because I'm naive, being relatively recently separated from conservatism I can't clearly see yet how much the underpinnings of today were in the conservatism I grew up in and lived in for so many years. How much the racism was there, the xenophobia, the nativism, the drive for religion-based political power, the disregard for the nation's underprivileged, the money poured into the military-industrial complex that could've been used for education, infrastructure, social safety nets. And the fear-based, relentless propaganda that if you didn't vote Republican the commies were going to come take your religion and your guns away from you and put you in reeducation camps. Of course it happened it other countries, I don't want to play that down in any way, I despise totalitarianism. I grew up in that time hearing the horrors of Cambodia and Viet Nam and Romania, China, USSR. I was surrounded by the idea that marxism would take away everything that was beautiful and everything that was traditional, without the awareness that the promise of what would bring that "back" was a fascist promise.
 

Lon

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What I see from conservatives now is (to me) so much worse than the conservatism I left. But then maybe it's because I'm naive, being relatively recently separated from conservatism I can't clearly see yet how much the underpinnings of today were in the conservatism I grew up in and lived in for so many years. How much the racism was there, the xenophobia, the nativism, the drive for religion-based political power, the disregard for the nation's underprivileged, the money poured into the military-industrial complex that could've been used for education, infrastructure, social safety nets. And the fear-based, relentless propaganda that if you didn't vote Republican the commies were going to come take your religion and your guns away from you and put you in reeducation camps. Of course it happened it other countries, I don't want to play that down in any way, I despise totalitarianism. I grew up in that time hearing the horrors of Cambodia and Viet Nam and Romania, China, USSR. I was surrounded by the idea that marxism would take away everything that was beautiful and everything that was traditional, without the awareness that the promise of what would bring that "back" was a fascist promise.
I read an interesting article about one college's finding regarding extremism recently (will have to look for it again). It said that the left and right are remarkably the same at the extreme ends. I'm not sure if the take-away was that media and politics made the division by spotlighting polarized issues, but that is what I took away from the report: that we have things in our minds that are very important, but that politics, in their constant fighting and siding, have made us a nation of friction. It is true: The media/news/political presence is largely designed (knowingly or not) to separate us and polarize. A lot of 'real' tv is gauged to show us the worst of 'them.' I believe I'm very resistant and resilient to most of it, but mostly because I won't watch it or read it. Sometimes I get grief for it, but I'm convinced I have to be in charge of my own thoughts and way of thinking and while I have to be informed to vote, I'm always looking for the big picture. By and large, I vote for anybody that is truly focused on families. In my mind, 'family' is our biggest commonality and shared value that 'can' unite a nation. -Lon
 

ok doser

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Moderate? Probably a good place with a nation being ripped in half by partisan groups on the extremes (the extremes of both the Right AND the Left are 'untethered' as it were). Politically, I'm still right-leaning on many issues. It is a pleasant enlightenment to read you are too. Tribal? If you and I are 'in the same tribe' then I'd reckon it isn't as tribal as some would accuse. :e4e:
Do you remember 15 or 20 years ago when people were predicting the end of the legacy media empires?
Television was going to make newspapers extinct. The Internet was going to make TV based MSM extinct.

They've found a business model that has allowed them to survive - one based on partisanship, based on manufactured racial strife, based on lies - often lies that they are unapologetic for when exposed.

And that's not considering the ugly metastasis that has has developed with social media, so blatantly partisan in the last election cycle.
 
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Omniskeptical

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More crazy:

Pastor Johnny Enlow Says 'Vision' of Donald Trump With 'Golden Scepter' Proves He's President


... mid-prayer, he saw a vision of Trump "seated on a throne holding a golden scepter... [with] a golden crown on his head." He said the vision was Trump's "PRESENT status from heaven's perspective."

"Heaven does not recognize [Joe Biden] having any scepter nor wearing any crown. From heaven's perspective, there is only the legitimacy of [Trump]. God has assigned a massive contingency of angels to that scepter and to that crown."




The cult of Q/MAGA/Trump.
Vote fraud has been used by the Democrat party machine for a long long time. Yet lacking of polling places is a voter suppression conspiracy. You don't even know the issues. Why are you here? robot.
 

Lon

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I'm a bit surprised that the site puts up with this constant flood of posts from Lady Trump Girl. But she's on the Right Side, so I guess it makes sense. Now I'm wondering when I'll put her on ignore.
Often, I look at both sides. We are in a climate that is purposefully, unapologetically, partisan and polarizing. If anything, I'm expecting to see more civil unrest as fires continue to be lit and burned. The unrest is palpable. Do you think the change in office in the U.S. has much to do with current violence in Israel too? I'd think it has to, as members of the Democratic party (John Kerry) recently gave Iran information about Israel's military and movements.
 

annabenedetti

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I read an interesting article about one college's finding regarding extremism recently (will have to look for it again). It said that the left and right are remarkably the same at the extreme ends.

If you're thinking of a circular political spectrum where the extreme left and extreme right meet at totalitarianism, I could see that.

I'm not sure if the take-away was that media and politics made the division by spotlighting polarized issues, but that is what I took away from the report: that we have things in our minds that are very important, but that politics, in their constant fighting and siding, have made us a nation of friction. It is true: The media/news/political presence is largely designed (knowingly or not) to separate us and polarize. A lot of 'real' tv is gauged to show us the worst of 'them.' I believe I'm very resistant and resilient to most of it, but mostly because I won't watch it or read it. Sometimes I get grief for it, but I'm convinced I have to be in charge of my own thoughts and way of thinking and while I have to be informed to vote, I'm always looking for the big picture. By and large, I vote for anybody that is truly focused on families. In my mind, 'family' is our biggest commonality and shared value that 'can' unite a nation. -Lon

That may work for you, and I know some very apolitical people in real life who remove themselves from all of it so they can have peace of mind, but there's a certain privilege in that. They don't realize it, but it's a privilege.

Going through life not knowing what's going on outside my window isn't an option for me. I've followed news and politics since I was trading newspaper sections with my dad as a teen, but choosing what to read or who to trust these days is an ongoing challenge, to be sure. I try to avoid corporate news, and although sometimes the best option for posting an OP article will be exactly that, it doesn't mean it's where I first got the information. As for the "us" and "them," it wasn't news orgs who created the "us" and "them," it's the individuals themselves who've grouped themselves willingly into "us" and "them" - largely on social media - because that's what humans do.
 
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Lon

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If you're thinking of a circular political spectrum where the extreme left and extreme right meet at totalitarianism, I could see that.
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That may work for you, and I know some very apolitical people in real life who remove themselves from all of it so they can have peace of mind, but there's a certain privilege in that. They don't realize it, but it's a privilege.
Probably right. I don't fully realize exactly what you mean here.
Going through life not knowing what's going on outside my window isn't an option for me. I've followed news and politics since I was trading newspaper sections with my dad as a teen, but choosing what to read or who to trust these days is an ongoing challenge, to be sure.
You can say that again (though once is enough surely).
I try to avoid corporate news, and although sometimes the best option for posting an OP article will be exactly that, it doesn't mean it's where I first got the information. As for the "us" and "them," it wasn't news orgs who created the "us" and "them," it's the individuals themselves who've grouped themselves willingly into "us" and "them" - largely on social media - because that's what humans do.
You are correct. I think, in Christ, there is a call to 'us.' Sometimes (often?) we don't let people grow. If they aren't where we think they should be, spiritually, we have conflict (denominations, cults, disfellowship, excommunicate).
 

annabenedetti

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Probably right. I don't fully realize exactly what you mean here.

Just that if someone has the ability to withdraw from political news or current events, that maybe it's because their life is safe and secure and stable enough to withdraw from any negativity. Perhaps their life isn't jolted by anything unsettling that's happening in the world, because whatever it is, it's not happening to them.
 

Lon

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Perhaps their life isn't jolted by anything unsettling that's happening in the world, because whatever it is, it's not happening to them.
Ah. As long as I've looked at the news, I've prayed, given to charity, and voted. Having removed myself: No difference. I'm not self-centered in that it isn't happening to me, actually quite a bit of it already has. It is rather not wanting to dwell there. -Lon
 
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