On the Seventh Day

[Ps82]

How many times will you repeat this ridiculous lie?

Gen 2:1-3 (AKJV/PCE)​

(2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (2:2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (2:3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.​

Sure creation was finished in six days ... but not the manifestation was not until the Seventh day. See the difference???

It was The LORD Father God who worked within creations on the 7th Day to manifest mankind, plants, animals and such. God the Spirit worked on the first 6 days ... God the Father LORD worked manifesting things within the earth on the Seventh Day.

QUESTION: Who is also God the Spirit and also God the Father? ANSWER: God the Son/Lord Jesus Christ was God the Spirit and Father of course.

Jesus said: My Father (God who is Spirit and LORD of the 7th Day) worketh hitherto and (now) I work as Him. John 5:17
John 1:18 says: No one has ever seen God ... the begotten Son ...; he (John the Baptist) proclaimed him.

BTW God the begotten Son was the one commanded in Ps 82 to ARISE O GOD and judge and inherit the nations.

QUESTION: Arise from what? ANSWER: THE DEAD

 

[Ps82]

Could he somehow be referring to when Jesus performed miracles or picked wheat on the Sabbath?

Otherwise, his comments along this line just make no sense WHATSOEVER!!!

I'm a she. That is why I overflow with words. LOL

Yes, it all ties together. The miracles Jesus did when he worked as God among men ...and what Father God did when he worked within creation on the 7th Day as the manifester of things already created by God the Spirit in Gen. 1.

The seventh day has been sanctified as the Lord's/The LORD's Day... and the the Messiah when he came would demonstrate signs that HE was God as the promised begotten Son who had arrived.

The seventh Day ... God the Father worked within creation to manifest things over time.

Seventh Day ... was sanctified as the Sabbath Day because it was the Lord's day not mankind's It was made to point to The MAN promised to come. It is not about mankind having a day of rest, but rather that it was the day our LORD/Lord worked as creator and the promise.

 

[Clete]

I'm a she.

I don't care.

That is why I overflow with words. LOL

Words I like, stupidity is the problem. Your posts are a good argument for leaving the formulation of doctrine to men.

Yes, it all ties together.

You've been repeatedly shown that it doesn't tie together at all.

The miracles Jesus did when he worked as God among men ...and what Father God did when he worked within creation on the 7th Day as the manifester of things already created by God the Spirit in Gen. 1.

It was He who became Jesus (i.e. not God the Father) that created everything in those first six days.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.​

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14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.​

The seventh day has been sanctified as the Lord's/The LORD's Day... and the the Messiah when he came would demonstrate signs that HE was God as the promised begotten Son who had arrived.

And that somehow argues for your completely incoherent doctrine - how?

The seventh Day ... God the Father worked within creation to manifest things over time.

Straight up false, as has not only been show to you but that shouldn't have ever needed to be shown to you. It couldn't be any clearly stated than...

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.​

For any honest person, that would end the discussion. You, however, love your doctrine more than God's word, plainly read and easily understood.

Seventh Day ... was sanctified as the Sabbath Day because it was the Lord's day not mankind's

Saying it doesn't make it so and this point wouldn't establish your doctrine anyway.

It was made to point to The MAN promised to come.

No, it wasn't.

It is not about mankind having a day of rest, but rather that it was the day our LORD/Lord worked as creator and the promise.

This is stupidity. You are either stupid or dishonest or both.

 

[Right Divider]

Sure creation was finished in six days ... but not the manifestation was not until the Seventh day. See the difference???

It was The LORD Father God who worked within creations on the 7th Day to manifest mankind, plants, animals and such. God the Spirit worked on the first 6 days ... God the Father LORD worked manifesting things within the earth on the Seventh Day.

QUESTION: Who is also God the Spirit and also God the Father? ANSWER: God the Son/Lord Jesus Christ was God the Spirit and Father of course.

Jesus said: My Father (God who is Spirit and LORD of the 7th Day) worketh hitherto and (now) I work as Him. John 5:17
John 1:18 says: No one has ever seen God ... the begotten Son ...; he (John the Baptist) proclaimed him.

BTW God the begotten Son was the one commanded in Ps 82 to ARISE O GOD and judge and inherit the nations.

QUESTION: Arise from what? ANSWER: THE DEAD

Your post is insane.

If you will not confess which cult that you are a member of, I will not have anymore interaction with you.

 

[Ps82]

I don't care.


Words I like, stupidity is the problem. Your posts are a good argument for leaving the formulation of doctrine to men.


You've been repeatedly shown that it doesn't tie together at all.


It was He who became Jesus (i.e. not God the Father) that created everything in those first six days.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.​

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14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.​

And that somehow argues for your completely incoherent doctrine - how?


Straight up false, as has not only been show to you but that shouldn't have ever needed to be shown to you. It couldn't be any clearly stated than...

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done.​

For any honest person, that would end the discussion. You, however, love your doctrine more than God's word, plainly read and easily understood.


Saying it doesn't make it so and this point wouldn't establish your doctrine anyway.


No, it wasn't.


This is stupidity. You are either stupid or dishonest or both.

LOL. Nothing has been proved to me. Just laughed at by some. Somehow I don't think that makes for a good debate. Gave you another try for having a discussion. I can see it's not working.

So, who is God the Father? He is the one God who is Spirit as described in Genesis one as well as God who became visible and was seen by Adam as revealed in Genesis 2. There is only ONE God ... HE is THEY. God invisible and God seen.

Others also saw the visible LORD God the Father than just Adam and Woman ... such as selected individuals and the prophets ... HE was even seen by two of Abraham's wives ... seen by Abraham's nephew Lot... seen by the mob in the streets of Sodom ... seen by 74 leaders of Israel where they ate and drank in HIS presence and was not harmed. They all saw the one Spiritual God manifested as the visible God the LORD Father.

Later came God manifested as the Lord seen in mortal Flesh. I'm wondering if you do not believe the words of our Lord Jesus. "The Father (LORD God) and I are one. When you have seen me, you have seen The Father (LORD God)."

Jesus even gave a lecture to the religious authorities of his day by insinuating these truths - I'm paraphrasing: You, so called experts, have never had the privilege of seeing the Father's shape(bodily form) nor to hear HIS voice, because if you had, you would have recognized who it is standing before you.

(You would need to go back to the book of Samuel to find out why God no longer recognized the men of the priesthood ... and HE only respected those who respected HIM from then forward. He no longer appeared to the priests just because they were priests. That is why the LORD God did appear and speak to Samuel. These experts of Jesus's day certainly did not respect the LORD God the Father; for John 5 revealed they had never been allowed to see HIS shape or hear his voice.)

John 5:36-38 IOW ... If they had ever seen the Father's presence - who was the LORD God who appeared in times past, then they would have recognized Jesus as the Promised Son, who was God appearing again but in flesh at that time of his arrival as God the Son. The ONE God had a relationship with men in all three manifestations. Whether they only heard HIS voice and saw no image or saw both HIS shape and heard his voice or whether they saw HIM as the Messiah of flesh, these three represented the ONE God in relationship with mankind.

a.) There is ONE God as Invisible Spirit,
b.) The ONE God appearing as the visible LORD Father of OT,
c.) and the ONE God begotten as the visible Son of God/the Messiah of the NT.

They are HE ... HE is They. They are the ONE God working as three identifiable personages of the God Head.

 

[Clete]

LOL. Nothing has been proved to me. Just laughed at by some.

The whole thread is still here for the entire world to read, including post 27 which flatly proves your position false and which was entirely ignored by you. I didn't read anything else you wrote. You're a waste of time.

 

[Ps82]

Sigh. Can't you two, Judge Rightly and Right Divider, think of anything to stress other than ha ha ha ... ? Have I hurt your feelings?

 

[Idolater]

Sure creation was finished in six days ... but not the manifestation was not until the Seventh day. See the difference???

Surely you understand this is a novel theory, you're going to need to show some really obv points as examples for context, so we can accustom ourselves to your novel view. If you treat your novel view as if it isn't novel, we're all going to have to do some work to even really understand you.

It was The LORD Father God who worked within creations on the 7th Day to manifest mankind, plants, animals and such. God the Spirit worked on the first 6 days ... God the Father LORD worked manifesting things within the earth on the Seventh Day.

The Holy Spirit is the LORD the giver of life. If Anyone is manifesting it's Him.

QUESTION: Who is also God the Spirit and also God the Father?

Grammar of that question is messed up. What you meant was c. "Who also is God, besides the Holy Spirit and the Father?"

ANSWER: God the Son/Lord Jesus Christ was God the Spirit and Father of course.

... or maybe it's not what you meant. "God the Son ... was God the Spirit and Father of course." Wut? The Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. Agreed?

Jesus said: My Father (God who is Spirit and LORD of the 7th Day) worketh hitherto and (now) I work as Him. John 5:17
John 1:18 says: No one has ever seen God ... the begotten Son ...; he (John the Baptist) proclaimed him.

BTW God the begotten Son was the one commanded in Ps 82 to ARISE O GOD and judge and inherit the nations.

QUESTION: Arise from what? ANSWER: THE DEAD

This part might or might not be OK, but you have to address the above; where are you on the Trinity?

 

[Ps82]

Surely you understand this is a novel theory, you're going to need to show some really obv points as examples for context, so we can accustom ourselves to your novel view. If you treat your novel view as if it isn't novel, we're all going to have to do some work to even really understand you.



The Holy Spirit is the LORD the giver of life. If Anyone is manifesting it's Him.



Grammar of that question is messed up. What you meant was c. "Who also is God, besides the Holy Spirit and the Father?"



... or maybe it's not what you meant. "God the Son ... was God the Spirit and Father of course." Wut? The Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. Agreed?



This part might or might not be OK, but you have to address the above; where are you on the Trinity?

Hello Idolater. I would very much enjoy engaging you in a conversation. You have asked some good questions which I'd love to discuss. Thank you.

Yes, I have found most people consider my theories novel/different.
Yes, I agree with you the Holy Spirit is The LORD ... and He is the one manifesting things into existence.
My grammar in my question was not messed up. I hope my next remarks will clear that up.

Quoting Idolater:
"... or maybe it's not what you meant. "God the Son ... was God the Spirit and Father of course." Wut? The Father is not the Son, the Father is not the Holy Spirit, and the Son is not the Holy Spirit. Agreed?
This part might or might not be OK, but you have to address the above; where are you on the Trinity?"

My reply: I'll try to be basic and to the point ... prayer!
1.) I believe in the concept there is ONE God. There are not three. Yet I do believe that our ONE God is known to men as three individuals. Due to when God worked; how he worked; and the works that were done.

2.) These three personages are know to men as the God Head ... and the word Trinity has been used to describe them.
In fact, I may not limit our knowing God to only three. With God all things are possible.

3.) I believe that no one has ever seen God/ Elohim/The Spirit. My KJV and Strong's Concordance tells me that it was Elohim who was working the first six days of creation. It also tells me that the invisible Spirit stopped working after six day and that someone ??? else began to work. I take that as truth! But how so? There is only ONE God and creator! Here is my version: There was a name change which in scripture signifies an important change has occurred. I could go on and on with example of Abram to Abram, Jacob to Israel, Saul to Paul ... but let's just focus on ELOHIYM aka ELOHIM to THE LORD. IOW, The invisible Spirit to YHVH/YHWH/LORD.

4.) So the next questions are: Who was/is The LORD? What was the change that is being emphasized by the name change regarding who worked on the Seventh Day?:
Answer - The LORD is the ONE Spiritual God, who appeared with his created image and who did his work on the Seventh Day of manifesting things, which had already been created on the first six days.

I say that there is ONE God, invisible Spirit is His original essence, but HE was able to be two personages of the God Head which men could comprehend, know personally, have a relationship. Adam had a relationship with The LORD and could hear through the lips of The LORD the actual WORD coming from the Spiritual God. Wow!
Now, we know God did create an image for his personal use. We are told that in Genesis 2: Let us make man after our IMAGE. One God, One Image to represent his ONEness but the true God who thought of himself in terms of a plurality of nature and potential. He is they. The LORD began to be called The Father.

5.) Now for the begotten Son where both The Spirit and The FATHER LORD are mentioned:
John 3:34-35 For he (Jesus the Son) whom God hath sent speaketh the WORDS of God: for God giveth not the SPIRIT by measure unto him. 35 The Father (LORD GOD) loveth the Son, and hath given ALL THINGS into his hand.

Here you see that the Son was given equality with God in three ways.
a.) Jesus only spoke the WORDS of God which I'm pretty sure held power and authority to rebuke sin, illnesses, and death.
b.) The Father, who was The Spirit appearing with a bodily form, gave ALL Things unto the Son. This is why Jesus could honestly say: When you have seen me you have seen the Father. This is why Jesus said this to his non-believing hostile religious leaders of his day: You have neither heard his voice nor seen his shape. (You know if they had ever seen the Father in a dream or vision they would have recognized who he was standing there in front of them.)

Gen. 5:37-38. And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he (God the Father) hath sent him (The Son whom you see and hear speaking his WORD) ye believe not

IOW ... If they had been given the opportunity to see the ONE Spiritual God appearing as the presence of the Father, they would have recognized Jesus the Son of flesh. Now you have to go back to I Samuel 2:30 to see why Priest were not allowed to behold the Father God for it was from that time forward that Father God was not going to reveal himself to people just because they were of the priesthood. He would only honor those who honored him. These hostile religious leaders in front of Jesus had not been honoring God and had never heard HIS VOICE nor SEEN HIS SHAPE!

Jesus had come to do his works and was not seen as a super-natural presence but as flesh just like any other human being. They didn't acknowledge him as being the presence of any sort of god-type... and much less as The God of Israel.

Now The three are God the Spirit who worked creating for six days. God the Father LORD who worked in his generations manifesting created things. God the Son who worked to bring the way of salvation in his day.

John 5:17 My Father (of the Seventh Day) worketh hitherto, and I work.
(for the truth is this)
John 5:19 "Verily verily I (Jesus the Son of God) say unto you, 'The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do; for what things soever he (the Father) doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

What did the Father LORD of the Seventh Day do? He manifested Adam as a living soul having a spiritual essence plus a body. Well, Jesus raised Lazarus and two others from the dead. The Father LORD formed Adam a body having functioning eyeballs. Jesus formed functioning eyeballs for a man who had had none from birth.
Jesus is ONE with God ... who is Spirit and is a Father with a glorious super-natural presence ... The are one. John 10:30-33!!!
The Three are the ONE God.

Now it is the Holy Spirit in us working ... Seems God has yet another way to have a relationship with humanity. Praise God