ECT NT eschatology thesis #9: Ps 2, 16, 110, not Ezek 38, 39 & Ps 83

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Don't generate any doctrine from the Rev by itself. It is a montage, a work of art, apocalyptic literature. It is not a NASA countdown sequence manual.

Your doctrine is not in 2 Peter 3 nor in Romans 2.

Gods word always warned sinners of their need to repent before Judgment day, so he did not have to mention to them of the coming Kingdom of God on earth which only the righteous will inherit, and only those who abide in Him are taught correctly about.



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Christ returning to judge the living nations (only) is different to the last judgment of Rev.ch 20.when all who ever lived are raised to that judgment.

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There are no separate judgements. When the NT uses the term 'nations' it is a collective plural for all the Gentiles. It does not mean Turkey, Ethiopia, Germany and judgements on them, etc.
 

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There are no separate judgements. When the NT uses the term 'nations' it is a collective plural for all the Gentiles. It does not mean Turkey, Ethiopia, Germany and judgements on them, etc.

Are you saying the nations are separate to the nation of Israel for eternity?

Such will only occur during the thousand years.

Isaiah ch 60.

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Yes. everything is done through or in relation to Christ and individuals. Rom 11:30. He has bound all to sin that he may have mercy on them all.

No OT passage is about the millenium; it is images, themes and motifs of what would happen in Christ. The NT tells us this many times and quotes it that way many times, and it never has anything going on with individual nations as we know them at the 2nd coming.
 

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Yes. everything is done through or in relation to Christ and individuals. Rom 11:30. He has bound all to sin that he may have mercy on them all.

No OT passage is about the millenium; it is images, themes and motifs of what would happen in Christ. The NT tells us this many times and quotes it that way many times, and it never has anything going on with individual nations as we know them at the 2nd coming.

Psa 72:6 He shall come down like rain upon the mown grass: as showers that water the earth.
Psa 72:7 In his days shall the righteous flourish; and abundance of peace so long as the moon endureth.
Psa 72:8 He shall have dominion also from sea to sea, and from the river unto the ends of the earth.
Psa 72:9 They that dwell in the wilderness shall bow before him; and his enemies shall lick the dust.
Psa 72:10 The kings of Tarshish and of the isles shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts.
Psa 72:11 Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him.

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What is your point? You have to make comments, because these same verses are about what I'm saying as far as I can tell.

Since there is no NT basis for a theocracy being restored to Israel, this kind of passage is fulfilled in Christ, but expressed in terms that the people in the kingdom of Israel period (900 BC) would understand. Their problem is the prophets. Daniel, for ex., comes along and tells them the kingdom that's coming would be made without human hands. Go figure. The fulfillment is not like the original vision. The "government" is not actually on a person's "shoulders" (Is 7) etc., etc. David's promises get transferred to Christ, Acts 2, 13, Isaiah 55, and Christ is enthroned in the resurrection. David's fallen tent is raised by the nations believing the Gospel, as the church council quoted (Amos 9).

That's the pattern. Get used to it.
 

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What is your point? You have to make comments, because these same verses are about what I'm saying as far as I can tell.

Since there is no NT basis for a theocracy being restored to Israel, this kind of passage is fulfilled in Christ, but expressed in terms that the people in the kingdom of Israel period (900 BC) would understand. Their problem is the prophets. Daniel, for ex., comes along and tells them the kingdom that's coming would be made without human hands. Go figure. The fulfillment is not like the original vision. The "government" is not actually on a person's "shoulders" (Is 7) etc., etc. David's promises get transferred to Christ, Acts 2, 13, Isaiah 55, and Christ is enthroned in the resurrection. David's fallen tent is raised by the nations believing the Gospel, as the church council quoted (Amos 9).

That's the pattern. Get used to it.

You are so busy trying to disprove an error that you can not see the truth.

The Kingdom of God is not Jewish.

The Israel of God consists of all men of faith in Christ.

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