ECT NT eschatology thesis #9: Ps 2, 16, 110, not Ezek 38, 39 & Ps 83

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#9 (see the thread 'basic theses of NT eschatology' for the whole list)

The apostles spent most of their time expounding Ps 2, 16, 110. There is no commentary on Ezek 38, 39 and Ps 83 even though most of today's prophecy experts spend their time on those.

In light of the victory over death and the ascension of Christ in those Psalms, the apostles preached a Christ and Lord who was ruler of this world. Not in a theocratic sense but through the power of his love and Gospel. Even Roman administrators were asked to be more righteous and self-controlled out of honor for Christ. Nor did Paul seek the overthrow of Roman authority, so there is still a 'secular' authority. But he did seek individual righteousness within the structures of the day.

There is no theological reason to spend time on Ezek 38, 39, Ps 83. There is nothing God is trying to do with any one ethnos any more. There is no wrath of God in or through Israel that has not already been taken care of in the DofJ, Lk 21. There is of course the coming day of judgement on the whole world which is a much more personal and complete event than some battles over in the middle east.
 

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#9 (see the thread 'basic theses of NT eschatology' for the whole list)

The apostles spent most of their time expounding Ps 2, 16, 110. There is no commentary on Ezek 38, 39 and Ps 83 even though most of today's prophecy experts spend their time on those.

In light of the victory over death and the ascension of Christ in those Psalms, the apostles preached a Christ and Lord who was ruler of this world. Not in a theocratic sense but through the power of his love and Gospel.

Christ does not rule this world through the power of His love and Gospel presently.

Christ rules over/in His Church presently.

The Father now oversees the world and its rulers (not directly ruling over its people) until Christ returns to reign over the Kingdom(s) of the world with his Saints.

1Sa 2:6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
1Sa 2:7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
1Sa 2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
1Sa 2:10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.


Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



Even Roman administrators were asked to be more righteous and self-controlled out of honor for Christ. Nor did Paul seek the overthrow of Roman authority, so there is still a 'secular' authority. But he did seek individual righteousness within the structures of the day.

There is no theological reason to spend time on Ezek 38, 39, Ps 83. There is nothing God is trying to do with any one ethnos any more. There is no wrath of God in or through Israel that has not already been taken care of in the DofJ, Lk 21. There is of course the coming day of judgement on the whole world which is a much more personal and complete event than some battles over in the middle east.

The great delusion upon the nations which thinks that God will elevate the flesh is another matter, the truth of which is kept secret from the eyes of the carnal, so that they will fight over nothing of value and leave the righteous to be about their business, until they be of strength to stand.

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Christ does not rule this world through the power of His love and Gospel presently.

Christ rules over/in His Church presently.

The Father now oversees the world and its rulers (not directly ruling over its people) until Christ returns to reign over the Kingdom(s) of the world with his Saints.

1Sa 2:6 The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
1Sa 2:7 The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
1Sa 2:8 He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD'S, and he hath set the world upon them.
1Sa 2:9 He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
1Sa 2:10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.


Dan 7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Dan 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Dan 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Dan 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Dan 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.





The great delusion upon the nations which thinks that God will elevate the flesh is another matter, the truth of which is kept secret from the eyes of the carnal, so that they will fight over nothing of value and leave the righteous to be about their business, until they be of strength to stand.

LA



I don't understand most of this. Do you just pluck something from Samuel and say 'see that's about the millenium?' A lot of things have happened since!

I don't know any NT passages that clearly say what the Dan 7 passage is about like they do Dan 8 and 9.

Christ has been enthroned and there is a real sense in which Satan has been bound because the Christian mission has been able to get the message out all over. The kingdom of God was not and is not said to be operating out of an office building in some central city. It is the compelling proclamation that this world is God's and Christ is its Lord. The Gospel is a power that makes people believe and wins them to goodness. It is a daring proclamation. None will see it unless they have the courage.

This is why Paul spoke as he did in Acts 26 to Roman officials. He didn't want them to create a theocracy (you could say that is what the RCC became). But he did call individuals to be righteous and self-controlled in honor of Christ in what they did as individuals and administrators.

But any description or parable of the kingdom of God also said that it would come with hardship and rejection until the end of time when the NHNE is made.

A Judaic theocracy millenium is out of the question, and there is not much said about the mill anyway. There is a disintegration at the end with its hardship for all Christians everywhere across the face of the earth. That's probably what Dan 7 meant. Maybe that's the delusion about the flesh becoming great. And it is a delusion. There's plenty of that today.
 

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I don't understand most of this. Do you just pluck something from Samuel and say 'see that's about the millenium?' A lot of things have happened since!

I don't know any NT passages that clearly say what the Dan 7 passage is about like they do Dan 8 and 9.

Christ has been enthroned and there is a real sense in which Satan has been bound because the Christian mission has been able to get the message out all over. The kingdom of God was not and is not said to be operating out of an office building in some central city. It is the compelling proclamation that this world is God's and Christ is its Lord. The Gospel is a power that makes people believe and wins them to goodness. It is a daring proclamation. None will see it unless they have the courage.

This is why Paul spoke as he did in Acts 26 to Roman officials. He didn't want them to create a theocracy (you could say that is what the RCC became). But he did call individuals to be righteous and self-controlled in honor of Christ in what they did as individuals and administrators.

But any description or parable of the kingdom of God also said that it would come with hardship and rejection until the end of time when the NHNE is made.

A Judaic theocracy millenium is out of the question, and there is not much said about the mill anyway. There is a disintegration at the end with its hardship for all Christians everywhere across the face of the earth. That's probably what Dan 7 meant. Maybe that's the delusion about the flesh becoming great. And it is a delusion. There's plenty of that today.

I don't understand most of this. Do you just pluck something from Samuel and say 'see that's about the millenium?' A lot of things have happened since!

What can you misunderstand about this verse---

1Sa 2:10 The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.

Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:
Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
Rev 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
Rev 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Rev 10:5 And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: (no more delay)





Psa 149:6 Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand;
Psa 149:7 To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people;
Psa 149:8 To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron;
Psa 149:9 To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD.


The expectation of saints of all ages is that Christ will return to earth and establish the Kingdom of God on earth.--The beginning of it being accomplished--

Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.
Rev 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
Rev 8:4 And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
Rev 8:5 And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake.
Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Most prophecies of the Bible concern Christs second coming.




I don't know any NT passages that clearly say what the Dan 7 passage is about like they do Dan 8 and 9.

It is throughout the Bible.



Christ has been enthroned and there is a real sense in which Satan has been bound because the Christian mission has been able to get the message out all over.

Satan is overpowered by the Spirit wherever men believe, and not bound in the bottomless pit at this time.

While satans power is restricted, we do not see the overpowering of mens flesh altogether as well, (the neglected part of salvation) which is necessary in order that Christ would reign over all mankind with the flesh fully under Gods dominion.---

Isa 2:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
Isa 2:4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.



The kingdom of God was not and is not said to be operating out of an office building in some central city. It is the compelling proclamation that this world is God's and Christ is its Lord. The Gospel is a power that makes people believe and wins them to goodness. It is a daring proclamation. None will see it unless they have the courage.

While you may have the courage to submit all to God as Jesus did, yet you would know that itself will not subdue your enemies, for then most all of the world will rise against you beginning among the flesh church.

This is why Paul spoke as he did in Acts 26 to Roman officials. He didn't want them to create a theocracy (you could say that is what the RCC became). But he did call individuals to be righteous and self-controlled in honor of Christ in what they did as individuals and administrators.

But any description or parable of the kingdom of God also said that it would come with hardship and rejection until the end of time when the NHNE is made.

It matters not what men call the future age of the Kingdom of God, there remains a future ruling of the saints over the nations (left )after the return of Christ.

A Judaic theocracy millenium is out of the question, and there is not much said about the mill anyway. There is a disintegration at the end with its hardship for all Christians everywhere across the face of the earth. That's probably what Dan 7 meant. Maybe that's the delusion about the flesh becoming great. And it is a delusion. There's plenty of that today.

It is not necessary to reject the future Kingdom of God on earth for the many years of the thousand, just because men think God owes something to the Jews, especially as the King of the Jews was crucified and is now not a Jew, nor are His people Jews of the flesh.

1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

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LA,
you haven't convinced me at all that there is a rule of believers on the earth as we know it. If you mean the NHNE, that's fine.

re Samuel, Rev 10, Ps 149. I have no problem with God ruling and eventually destroying all enemies. I don't know why those passages go directly to the millenium. The thing is only mentioned in one passage. If those three go directly to the millenium, why not every "future" passage in the OT?

See 2 Peter 3. There is nothing going to happen on earth. When the judgement of God comes, the NHNE will only use this earth in the recycled sense; the elements will have been melted.

Most Bible prophecies are not about the 2nd coming. Most OT prophecies are about the age of Messiah which includes his sacrifice and then his message going to the nations. The problem of Judaism is that it thought that mssion message was the torah. Paul was raised up to show his friends in Judaism that it was all about the Gospel.

re Dan 7, I meant specific NT passages that quote it. Please read more carefully. Expressions in 8 and 9 are used exactly in the NT.

Satan is said to be bound in Mt 12 and that the kingdom has come. To me this means that the evidence of the binding is the fact that the Gospel succeeds in having some impact all over the world. If he were not bound, it never would, apparently.

Christians still dare to proclaim his reign and authority now even though the darkness hides and denies it.

re Acts 26. It sounds like you wrote off what Paul said as 'what men call the future age...' Actually he was writing off what Judaism said was the future age.

Show me a clear passage of believers reigning on this earth as we know it, not on the NHNE. I do not know of one. The New Jerusalem never "lands" on this earth but it does on the NHNE.
 

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you haven't convinced me at all that there is a rule of believers on the earth as we know it. If you mean the NHNE, that's fine.

re Samuel, Rev 10, Ps 149. I have no problem with God ruling and eventually destroying all enemies. I don't know why those passages go directly to the millenium. The thing is only mentioned in one passage. If those three go directly to the millenium, why not every "future" passage in the OT?

See 2 Peter 3. There is nothing going to happen on earth. When the judgement of God comes, the NHNE will only use this earth in the recycled sense; the elements will have been melted.

Most Bible prophecies are not about the 2nd coming. Most OT prophecies are about the age of Messiah which includes his sacrifice and then his message going to the nations. The problem of Judaism is that it thought that mssion message was the torah. Paul was raised up to show his friends in Judaism that it was all about the Gospel.

re Dan 7, I meant specific NT passages that quote it. Please read more carefully. Expressions in 8 and 9 are used exactly in the NT.

Satan is said to be bound in Mt 12 and that the kingdom has come. To me this means that the evidence of the binding is the fact that the Gospel succeeds in having some impact all over the world. If he were not bound, it never would, apparently.

Christians still dare to proclaim his reign and authority now even though the darkness hides and denies it.

re Acts 26. It sounds like you wrote off what Paul said as 'what men call the future age...' Actually he was writing off what Judaism said was the future age.

Show me a clear passage of believers reigning on this earth as we know it, not on the NHNE. I do not know of one. The New Jerusalem never "lands" on this earth but it does on the NHNE.

You are not the only one reading the posts.

What you do with them is entirely up to you.

I have found that only the overcomers among the saints are granted to know their future from the scriptures.

Heavy study will not accomplish it.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

LA
 

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You are not the only one reading the posts.

What you do with them is entirely up to you.

I have found that only the overcomers among the saints are granted to know their future from the scriptures.

Heavy study will not accomplish it.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

LA

Jesus is ruling now.


Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.




When Jesus comes again, it will not be to live on this earth.

When Jesus comes again, it will be at the resurrection of the dead, and the Great White Throne judgement.

Then there will be a new earth, and Jesus WILL HAND OVER THE KINGDOM TO THE FATHER.


1 Corinthians 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.



Those who are saved now are seated with Jesus in heaven.

Those who die before Jesus comes again are with him in heaven.


Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.
 

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Jesus is ruling now.


Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.




When Jesus comes again, it will not be to live on this earth.

When Jesus comes again, it will be at the resurrection of the dead, and the Great White Throne judgement.

Then there will be a new earth, and Jesus WILL HAND OVER THE KINGDOM TO THE FATHER.


1 Corinthians 15:24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.



Those who are saved now are seated with Jesus in heaven.

Those who die before Jesus comes again are with him in heaven.


Ephesians 2:6 And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.


Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

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Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

That has already happened. God had made us...

Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

LA

That is on the new earth.
 

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Notice that Lazy Afternoon has not responded to any of the scriptures I gave; he only gave more scriptures thinking he can nullify the scriptures I gave. That is not a way to rightly divide the truth.
 

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You are not the only one reading the posts.

What you do with them is entirely up to you.

I have found that only the overcomers among the saints are granted to know their future from the scriptures.

Heavy study will not accomplish it.

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

LA


I meant that I don't know of a NT quote of Dan 7, other than in the Rev, which is not a good place to start.
 

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Notice that Lazy Afternoon has not responded to any of the scriptures I gave; he only gave more scriptures thinking he can nullify the scriptures I gave. That is not a way to rightly divide the truth.

I lost a longdetailed reply, so I figured maybe the Lord does not want you to know the truth, as you think you have it all figured out.

Actually, the Godless also read here as well as the carnal ones like yourself.

LA
 

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I meant that I don't know of a NT quote of Dan 7, other than in the Rev, which is not a good place to start.

You are admitting that you can not see the harmonious nature of all of the prophetic books.

It is precisely because you do not have everything right that the books look difficult.

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I lost a longdetailed reply, so I figured maybe the Lord does not want you to know the truth, as you think you have it all figured out.

Actually, the Godless also read here as well as the carnal ones like yourself.

LA
Your false judgements mean nothing to me.

Is that all you got to defend your erroneous teachings?
 
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You are admitting that you can not see the harmonious nature of all of the prophetic books.

It is precisely because you do not have everything right that the books look difficult.

LA



My study has made me conclude on the Rev that it is about the destruction of Jerusalem and what was expected right after that. There is nothing about the Dan 7 vision that is a direct quote by the NT like there is of 8's and 9's. It is by being more familiar, not less, that I don't see the connection of Dan 7.

But that is only one of the items in the long posts.

I still don't know why the millennium is the automatic place to go to for everything the OT says about anything future, when there are tons of events all through it, and between testaments, and the DofJ finishing the NT period.
 

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My study has made me conclude on the Rev that it is about the destruction of Jerusalem

All the saints were not gathered into the OT Temple in the time of AD 70 event.

Clearly Rev.ch 11 uses OT type to describe the keeping in safety of the last days church while the ungodly from among them undergo trampling under foot by the nations , because those who have lost their preserving quality are like salt thrown on the streets to be trampled under foot, as they did in those days.

LA
 

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All the saints were not gathered into the OT Temple in the time of AD 70 event.

Clearly Rev.ch 11 uses OT type to describe the keeping in safety of the last days church while the ungodly from among them undergo trampling under foot by the nations , because those who have lost their preserving quality are like salt thrown on the streets to be trampled under foot, as they did in those days.

LA



I have no idea what your first line means.

I'm referring to the 7 church's people moved up into Little Asia--fleeing from Israel; the number of things that describe the destruction of Jerusalem; the destruction of the harlot (Jerusalem); the wedding, which Paul said was already a marriage; and the expectation in most of the NT that the 2nd coming would happen right after the DofJ, especially Paul.
 

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I have no idea what your first line means.

I'm referring to the 7 church's people moved up into Little Asia--fleeing from Israel; the number of things that describe the destruction of Jerusalem; the destruction of the harlot (Jerusalem); the wedding, which Paul said was already a marriage; and the expectation in most of the NT that the 2nd coming would happen right after the DofJ, especially Paul.

Christ returning to judge the living nations (only) is different to the last judgment of Rev.ch 20.when all who ever lived are raised to that judgment.

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Don't generate any doctrine from the Rev by itself. It is a montage, a work of art, apocalyptic literature. It is not a NASA countdown sequence manual.

Your doctrine is not in 2 Peter 3 nor in Romans 2.
 
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