National Rifle Association Lawsuit?

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Idolater said:
I am not a racist. Your "gun nutter" is the closest thing to racism that we see here.
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How pathetic!
Now what particular race did you imagine a gun nutter might be?
A Gun Nutter is any idiot who is irresponsible with guns, like having no 3rd party accident insurance, or decent home security, or gun safe, or sensible level of training.

That wouldn't fit you, possibly, would it?

But your post was racist.......... dirty........ unnacceptable to me.
Go post to somebody else.
 
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The Barbarian said:
A decreasing number of American gun owners own two-thirds of the nation's guns and as many as one-third of the guns on the planet -- even though they account for less than 1% of the world's population, according to a CNN analysis of gun ownership data.

The data, collected by the Injury Prevention Journal, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, the General Social Survey and population figures from the U.S. Census Bureau, found that the number of U.S. households with guns has declined, but current gun owners are gathering more guns.

The United States tends to have better data on gun numbers than other countries, for instance Somalia or the Democratic Republic of the Congo, which may account for the high percentage, according to Alan Lizotte, dean and professor at the School of Criminal Justice at The University at Albany.
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A study published in the Injury Prevention Journal, based on a 2004 National Firearms Survey, found that 20% of the gun owners with the most firearms possessed about 65% of the nation's guns.
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The number of households owning guns has declined from almost 50% in 1973 to just over 32% in 2010, according to a 2011 study produced by The University of Chicago's National Opinion Research Center. The number of gun owners has gone down almost 10% over the same period, the report found

The concentration comes, in part, because guns are "marketed by and large to people who already own guns," Lizotte said.
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Both studies also found that men were more likely to own guns, though the General Social Survey found that male gun ownership is down almost 20% since 1980. The Violence Policy Center's analysis of the General Social Survey data also found that part of the reason the gun owning population is declining is because those weapons are largely owned by white males, a group whose population is aging.
https://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/31/politics/gun-ownership-declining/index.html

Part of the issue is increasing urbanization. I had guns when I was younger, but there were places to go hunt and shoot. Now, I have to go a long way, get a hunting lease, or go to a shooting range. Not worth the effort. And I'm not scared of my shadow, so I don't feel the need to have one for protection.

Yes, I know, "but what if..." I don't have a meteorite shield on my house, for the same reason I don't own a gun for protection. Violent crime has greatly declined since I owned guns, which makes it even less of an issue.
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Thank you for all that info.......
Where I live the vast majority of us don't have or use guns, although shotguns and rifles are allowed to licensed holders.

But decent home security is a really good idea. In the UK most homes have pvc/dg windows and doors installed, and some have composite doors. It's quite hard to break in to a home fitted with those, and even the police have big trouble with their battering rams to gain entries. In fact our police now have special chain saws to cut through pvc and composite doors when necessary. But where older pvc windows are fitted these can be degalzed from outside.... so they are getting changed.

How good is your property security?
 
Idolater

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The Barbarian said:
...I had guns when I was younger, but there were places to go hunt and shoot. Now, I have to go a long way, get a hunting lease, or go to a shooting range. Not worth the effort. And I'm not scared of my shadow, so I don't feel the need to have one for protection.

Yes, I know, "but what if..." I don't have a meteorite shield on my house, for the same reason I don't own a gun for protection. Violent crime has greatly declined since I owned guns, which makes it even less of an issue.
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There's a right to not bear arms, and there's a right to have whatever reason you want to justify the just exercise of that right.

Do you believe in the right to bear arms, and do you believe that our rights are indivisible?
 
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Idolater said:
There's a right to not bear arms, and there's a right to have whatever reason you want to justify the just exercise of that right.
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Right. A right is something you get to have,even if it's self-destructive or other people don't like it. About 20 years ago, the National Safety Council (using NRA and shooting death data) found that about 20 percent of Americans lived where crime was sufficiently common that it was actually safer to have a gun in the house than not to have one. So for those areas, having a gun handy was a rational decision. Crime, especially violent crime has declined markedly, so much less applicable now. But rights remain.

Do you believe in the right to bear arms, and do you believe that our rights are indivisible?
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Yes. If we tolerate the abuse of anyone's rights, we are undermining our own rights. And it doesn't matter which rights. If government can stop and abuse a black person for walking while black, it can also take your gun away from you, as Trump threatened to do. Rights are truly indivisible.
 
Idolater

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The Barbarian said:
Right. A right is something you get to have,even if it's self-destructive or other people don't like it. About 20 years ago, the National Safety Council (using NRA and shooting death data) found that about 20 percent of Americans lived where crime was sufficiently common that it was actually safer to have a gun in the house than not to have one. So for those areas, having a gun handy was a rational decision. Crime, especially violent crime has declined markedly, so much less applicable now. But rights remain.



Yes. If we tolerate the abuse of anyone's rights, we are undermining our own rights. And it doesn't matter which rights. If government can stop and abuse a black person for walking while black, it can also take your gun away from you, as Trump threatened to do. Rights are truly indivisible.
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Excellent response
 
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The Barbarian said:
Right. A right is something you get to have,even if it's self-destructive or other people don't like it. About 20 years ago, the National Safety Council (using NRA and shooting death data) found that about 20 percent of Americans lived where crime was sufficiently common that it was actually safer to have a gun in the house than not to have one. So for those areas, having a gun handy was a rational decision. Crime, especially violent crime has declined markedly, so much less applicable now. But rights remain.

Yes. If we tolerate the abuse of anyone's rights, we are undermining our own rights. And it doesn't matter which rights. If government can stop and abuse a black person for walking while black, it can also take your gun away from you, as Trump threatened to do. Rights are truly indivisible.
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In the US you have a right to own some kinds of guns. Should a convicted person lose that right?

One other question, should all people who use guns have third party liability insurance on case they injure or kill another person?
 
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