My explanation for Gen 1 and 2 being 2 stages of creation

[Ps82]

I've been accused by someone to belong to a cult. I don't! Some have trouble accepting what I am trying to convey; so, here's my thorough explanation of Gen. 1 and 2 being two stages of creation. I pray some people will read this and comprehend. Jesus, My Lord, help. Amen

I see what I see in scripture and at this time I believe what I see.

In fact, the very title of the Creation Story is listed in the first verse and if you look at verses 1-2 they explain exactly who is doing the work.
Prayers that someone will read all of this ....

PART A
Gen. 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. ... the Spirit of God moved ..." (IOW God as in God's Spirit)

I asked: Who is God the Spirit?
Gen 1-3 The Hebrew word used for God's Spirit is elohyim #430. This is a plural form of a singular word #433 elowahh. Sort of like a plural of child to children or perhaps a collective noun. like a choir or team

Seeing the definition I asked: Now, why would a plural noun or perhaps a collective noun be used to describe our ONE God?
I thought: After all, he is all in all! - He is life; he is omni-present; he is infinite; he is power and energy; he is love; he is his word; he is mercy; he is forgiveness; he is judge; he is salvation; ... He is all in all and all life and all things come from him ... and nothing but a plural word should be used to encompass all of who he is. Thus Elohiym. not elowahh.

Strong's Concordance gives this definition: #430 elohiym el-o-heem; plur. of # 433 gods in the ordinary sense BUT spec. used (in the plural thus, espec. with the art.) of the supreme God....(it goes on to mention how all inclusive the words elowahh and elohiym can be when referring to magistrates ... and as a superlative - among angels X exceeding (I concluded the word exceeding used in the case of ordinary angels refers to an exceeding number???), even referring to The God (or to gods) - godly and goddesses, very great, judges X mighty... rarely....

Now, the title-verse 1 tells us the major things God the Spirit is planning to do such as creating: Heaven and earth.

Well, Chapter one tells you this about heaven:
Read vv.6-8
Gen. 1:6 Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters.
Well, I happened to know that Christ mentioned having a special water to give the woman at the well for her immortality; so, waters to me refer to measure of life from God.

Therefore I thought: Let there be a firmament in the midst of LIFE meant let there be a boundary within GOD's Spiritual LIFE.
I asked: What is this firmament?
v 8 God called the firmament HEAVEN and it separated life from above and below. Now, I don't think of God having divided himself into sections for he is always - all in all ... HIS LIFE to give is above and below this boundary, but I do see how he is allocating places to put things ... and these places will contain waters (IOW -LIFE); so, they are meant to contain living things which he plans to create ... All remain within God's SPIRIT ual essence!

This accounts for how God could have created mankind(male/female) as a living spiritual entity within HIM while their not yet being manifested on earth. After all there was no earth at that time in Genesis 1.
Example: v2 ... The earth was without form, void; darkness was upon the face of the deep.
I asked: What is the deep darkness? Well, to cut this short ...
The deep has to be the infinite nature of God's dark essence - IOW they were inside God's invisible essence - His Spirit. God goes on to describe the things he is creating in the waters below the heavenly firmament.

Verse 10 describes when HE brought forth dry earth and seas. earth is lifeless and water is lifeless H2O I believe later man calls them Earth and Seas. KJV is my favorite, but I know that punctuation and maybe capitalization may have come along with KJ English.

PART B:
God creates earth.
I asked: If Heaven was a barrier separating life from other life, what is earth?
Gen. 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place (it's place), and let the dry land appear; and it was so.

Now catch this: earth did not contain life waters. It was dry - no measures of waters of life from God!
... earth were the things being brought forth which were not to live. I assume laws of energy. God began to call forth all sorts of lifeless elements to form lifeless creation. Things did not come from nothing... they came from the willful sentience of God and his power. While yet this realm below the firmament (and above) still had LIFE present to give to whom he would. JUST WOW!

I was asked to explain more clearly by someone posting: (You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry.") This is my attempt to make things more clear between earth, ground, and Earth. I hope I found the place he meant:
(The earth did not bring forth the living until a mist of water (a measure of life from God) was added to it in Gen. 2. It was then "ground" ... which The LORD used to form Adam a functioning body (IOW, a living body needing a living sentient spirit called Adam.)

Now, back to the original commentary: Here is my conclusion of part one of creation ... when The Spirit worked within Himself in Genesis 1:

When God formed our Earth there was no life... only a solid form. I suggest these same lifeless elements were used to form what we think of as our solar system ... to the universe.
I suggest, for reasons, there was only dead elements forming earth until Genesis 2. It was in Genesis 2 that life was added to form something called - ground! Humanity gave the title to earth - Earth. I believe God manifested earth first and it was to become visible as soon as mankind had actual eyeballs to behold it in the LIGHT of God. Starting with verse 24 which says: Let the earth bring forth ...which to me was a divine Law and a divine list.
v. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living...

Genesis 2:2-3 makes it clear things have changed from the first six. I will discuss Gen. 2:2-4 in much greater detail in Part Two.
Paraphrasing for time's sake:
vs. 2 And on the 7th day God (elohiym/Spirit) ended his work ... and rested from all His work.
vs. 3 And God blessed this 7th day, and sanctified it: because ... he rested .

I asked: Might that insinuate there was certainly the work of elohyim (God the Spirit) but also there may be more work coming? From whom ... where ... when?

vs. 4 These are the generations (perhaps a long period of time) of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens ...
vs 5 ... (a time) before the plants were in the fields .. before there was rain for The LORD had not caused it to rain ... there was no man... no ground (elements/matter having life waters added to it).

If you wish you, you can read Part two of how I explain the rest of why I see Gen. 2 as a separate event from Gen. 1

 

[JudgeRightly]

It's two tellings of different aspects of the same one week of creation.

God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh.

Then on Day 6, He created man.

Simple as that.

 

[JudgeRightly]

It was dry

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1:1, Genesis 1:2 - New King James Version

The History of Creation - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

www.biblegateway.com

The surface of earth was a global ocean starting on day 1.

 

[Ps82]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1:1, Genesis 1:2 - New King James Version

The History of Creation - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

www.biblegateway.com

The surface of earth was a global ocean starting on day 1.

Did scripture show you that? Genesis two says when God began creating it was without form and void of things.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Did scripture show you that? Genesis two says when God began creating it was without form and void of things.

You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry."

 

[Ps82]

You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry."

Well, there is the earth and the Earth and then ground.
The earth was dry of life in Genesis one, but a mist of water (a small measure of life) is added to the earth in Gen. 2.

That is when we see a new word called ground.

That ground was then ready to use by The LORD to form a living body for Adam's living spiritual soul which had already been created ... in Gen. 1 and was only blown into the nostrils of Adam's body in Gen. 2.

Earth is a capital noun ... to give a special name to a person place of thing. In this case earth became Earth.

Thanks, Judge Rightly, for the heads up. I'll go back to my longer post and see if I find the place where you say my works need tweaking.

 

[Ps82]

You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry."

I think this is the section to which I assume you were mentioning. If not single it out for me.

Gen. 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place (it's place), and let the dry land appear; and it was so.

Now catch this: earth did not contain life waters. It was dry - no measures of waters of life from God!
... earth were the things being brought forth which were not to live. I assume (NEW INFO: they were done as) laws of energy. God began to call forth all sorts of lifeless elements to form lifeless creation. Things did not come from nothing... they came from the willful sentience of God and his power. While yet this realm below the firmament (and above) still had LIFE present (NEW INFO: in them) to give to whom he would. JUST WOW!

Here is my conclusion of part one of creation ... when The Spirit worked within Himself in Genesis 1:

When God formed (NEW INFO: I change E to e) earth (NEW INFO: our Earth as we comprehend it) there was no life... only a solid form. I suggest these same lifeless elements were those used to form what we think of as our solar system ... etc... to the universe.
I suggest, for reasons, there were only dead elements forming earth until Genesis 2. It was in Genesis 2 that life was added to form something called - ground!

Humanity gave earth the title - Earth. I believe God manifested earth first and it was to become visible as soon as mankind actual had eyeballs to behold it in the LIGHT of God. Starting with verse 24 which says: Let the earth bring forth ...which to me was a divine Law and followed it with a divine list of created things which would live.

v. 24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living...

I'll add this for more clarity: the earth did not bring forth the living until a mist of water (a measure of life from God) was added to it. It was then ground ... which The LORD used to form Adam a functioning body (IOW, a living body needing a living sentient spirit called Adam.)

 

[Ps82]

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 1:1, Genesis 1:2 - New King James Version

The History of Creation - In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

www.biblegateway.com

The surface of earth was a global ocean starting on day 1.

Dry meaning without life forms of any sort. No grass. No herbs. No animals... etc. I don't know much about your mention of it being a ball of literal H2O water. Let me hear it.

I was talking figuratively and discussing symbolism in scripture. Water means life of or from God ... dry means without that life. Water of life was added as a measured mist upon the earth and then it was called ground. Only then could the elements in earth be used to bring for living things. Read the end of Genesis 1 and through the first parts of Genesis 2 and you'll see.

 

[Ps82]

You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry."

I know that male/female was created in Genesis 1 but was not manifested on the Earth as a living soul until after the life giving mist was added to the earth to produce "ground". Before that time there was neither grass or herbs, no Garden, and no creatures for The LORD had not yet caused it to RAIN... It was even later that God formed the bodies for the animals and then brought them to Adam to name them. Genesis 2:5-9 and Genesis 2: 19-20.
Animals, plants and male female may have been created and existed alive within the spirit realm of God but they were not seen until The Lord God provided them with living forms ... such as bodies.
Things were created in the spirit realm under the firmament ... but they were not literally manifested with a body upon our Earth until Gen. 2 when life was introduced to the dry earth equaling ground.

I think most believers realize we humans are both spirit and body. Our bodies have life in them in this world, but the curse of mortality leads them to a dusty death.

Yet our living spirits go elsewhere and are given saintly bodies (robes of white) for dwelling in until the manifestation of our Lord at his return in all his glory at which time we saints receive our glorified bodies. You see God is able to many things which we can see and can't see. In the visible and invisible realms.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You're the one proposing a new theory.

The onus is on you to explain why the traditional interpretation, that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are describing different aspects of the same one week of Creation.

The Bible clearly shows the creation of the world from a macro view in chapter 1, then narrows it down to the events of the sixth day in chapter 2, then in chapter 3 it details the how the relationship between God and man that was created in chapter 1, explained in chapter 2, was broken, in chapter 4 goes into why God imposed a lawless age, in chapter 5 gives the genealogies of man afterwards, then in chapter 6 begins God's judgement on a now completely wicked world.

You have to show why that isn't really the case.

 

[Ps82]

I know that male/female was created in Genesis 1 but was not manifested on the Earth as a living soul until after the life giving mist was added to the earth to produce "ground". Before that time there was neither grass or herbs, no Garden, and no creatures for The LORD had not yet caused it to RAIN... It was even later that God formed the bodies for the animals and then brought them to Adam to name them. Genesis 2:5-9 and Genesis 2: 19-20.
Animals, plants and male female may have been created and existed alive within the spirit realm of God but they were not seen until The Lord God provided them with living forms ... such as bodies.
Things were created in the spirit realm under the firmament ... but they were not literally manifested with a body upon our Earth until Gen. 2 when life was introduced to the dry earth equaling ground.

I think most believers realize we humans are both spirit and body. Our bodies have life in them in this world, but the curse of mortality leads them to a dusty death.

Yet our living spirits go elsewhere and are given saintly bodies (robes of white) for dwelling in until the manifestation of our Lord at his return in all his glory at which time we saints receive our glorified bodies. You see God is able to many things which we can see and can't see. In the visible and invisible realms.

An emoji for ha ha ha is just too easy.
Don't you have anything to actually say about what you believe? Aren't we suppose to discuss ideas ... and not just be a critic all the time.

Give others and myself your thoughts of how you perceive things went. Convince us you know the truth.

 

[Ps82]

You're the one proposing a new theory.

The onus is on you to explain why the traditional interpretation, that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are describing different aspects of the same one week of Creation.

The Bible clearly shows the creation of the world from a macro view in chapter 1, then narrows it down to the events of the sixth day in chapter 2, then in chapter 3 it details the how the relationship between God and man that was created in chapter 1, explained in chapter 2, was broken, in chapter 4 goes into why God imposed a lawless age, in chapter 5 gives the genealogies of man afterwards, then in chapter 6 begins God's judgement on a now completely wicked world.

You have to show why that isn't really the case.

I have ... now if you don't like it show me your counter points. I don't even know what you think. Does anyone?

If anyone knows exactly what JudgeRightly thinks on this topic please enlighten me.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I have ... now if you don't like it show me your counter points. I don't even know what you think. Does anyone?

If anyone knows exactly what JudgeRightly thinks on this topic please enlighten me.

You've given your interpretation.

I'm asking for your reasoning.

If you can't understand the difference between the two, then the laughing emojis are completely warranted.

 

[Ps82]

You seem to have missed the part where it contradicts what you said about the earth being "dry."

Can you be more specific and point out the verse/verses in scripture or the statements in my post that you would like me to address. I had to guess. As you can see I love to make my points as clear as I can. Do you want to try again with your disagreement about earth being dry - void of life where ground had waters (life from God) added to it.

Life for manifesting visible living things and creatures within the Garden and which we now see upon our current Earth.

 

[Ps82]

You've given your interpretation.

I'm asking for your reasoning.

If you can't understand the difference between the two, then the laughing emojis are completely warranted.

I have all the definitions of reasoning in front of me. I used all reasoning as I presented my interpretations. I have explained things clearly and even often shown what I believe fits other scripture in the Bible. I have seen scripture that substantiates what I believe.

I don't intend to go to some outside commentary to tell me what to think or show you I am right or wrong. At times I do use a Bible Dictionary, an Webster's English Dictionary, several translations and often a Strong's concordance as my resources.

But I know someone who just often uses a - ha ha ha emoji - and criticizes may never accept any part of what I write.

I appreciate your response, hope you actually read what I wrote, and am willing to discuss a clearly expressed question.

 

[JudgeRightly]

I have all the definitions of reasoning in front of me. I used all reasoning as I presented my interpretations. I have explained things clearly and even often shown what I believe fits other scripture in the Bible. I have seen scripture that substantiates what I believe.

I don't intend to go to some outside commentary to tell me what to think or show you I am right or wrong. At times I do use a Bible Dictionary, an Webster's English Dictionary, several translations and often a Strong's concordance as my resources.

But I know someone who just often uses a - ha ha ha emoji - and criticizes may never accept any part of what I write.

I appreciate your response, hope you actually read what I wrote, and am willing to discuss a clearly expressed question.

You're still giving interpretation. I'm not asking for your interpretation.

I want the "why"s and "wherefore"s.

The Bible needs little to no interpretation.

Why are you trying to interpret it the way you are?

 

[Ps82]

It's two tellings of different aspects of the same one week of creation.

God created the heavens and the earth in six days and rested on the seventh.

Then on Day 6, He created man.

Simple as that.

Yes, he created the heavens and the earth during the six days an even mankind=male female. But HE also created many other things during that time. In him spiritually but ready to be brought forth into a worldly realm.

What I'm saying is that these things were created within God's spiritual essence. Man was a spirit before he was a soul. Watch next:

Genesis 2 is where we are told this: When The LORD formed mankind a body from the ground then imparted a breath from God into the man, it was only then that man became a living soul. Finally all completed!

IOW, man was not even a finished product in Gen. 1. They were spiritually male/female. They were finished when they received their body formed of the elements of the ground.

Why, female had not even been taken out of mankind at that time. Adam had not named her Woman.
This happened in Gen. 2 when The LORD performed a sort of 'operation' on Adam's side. Then she was given her own unique body and she became a separate living soul and given an appropriate Name.

When you and I die physically, it will be the death of our bodies ... but not death to our spiritual living essence. Our spiritual essence goes to be with our Lord and in him we will live and dwell. Happily scripture says if we have the Holy Spirit in us that is where we live and dwell even now. Very similar to how male/female existed spiritually within elohiym/The spiritual God. They dwelt and lived in him. As in Genesis 1 describes.

My thoughts, reasoning, and interpretations match other truth found in the Bible. Our example is how scripture tells us: We will exist with our Lord in a place more spiirtual/super-natural than the Earth we know now. A place prepared for us where our Lord will have saintly garments (a bodily form) waiting for us so that we will not be unclothed but rather be seen.

My ideas match this concept and many others.

You need to accept the identity of The LORD of the seventh day. He is elohiym/The Spirit of God bearing the form/image of God, who was seen among men (an Emmanuel). He was called the WORD of God at the time. Adam heard The LORD speak, heard his foot steps, and saw his presence.

When the Jews who did not believe in Him and were angry at what he did on the Sabbath, they sought to persecute and slay him. Jesus responded: John 5:37-38
"And the Father himself, which hath sent me (as the Christ), hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not."

Now, we would have to go to the book of Samuel to find out why people are not allowed to come near God and behold him in this manner and it would take a whole study ... so just stating what Jesus said which proves the Father of the Seventh day of Creation had a voice and a shape to be seen. Jesus being The WORD of God, according to John in the book of John 1, was The WORD who was with the visible Father LORD God while being God. They as part of the God Head worked together in Genesis 2.

Jesus said this: Luke 6:46 And why do you call Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
My version: And why do you call Me (The WORD of God, the promised ONE) Lord, Lord, and yet don't obey Me as your Lord when I tell you what to do?

Jesus also taught this to an unbelieving crowd. John 8:38 "I speak that which I have seen WITH MY FATHER:"

Wow, our Lord Jesus was actually with the Father during creation ... and during the generations of The LORD Father's work. Jesus proclaimed he knew Abraham and that he only taught and said what he had heard and seen while he was working with his Father LORD God of the 7th day.

Jesus was God's invisible but audible WORD when he worked with the Father ... LORD. He shared the image with the Father and the Father only spoke the WORDS of God.

John 17:5 Jesus prayed: And now, O Father, glorify you me with your own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
What did he share with The LORD Father? God's image!
My version: And now, O Father, glorify me with your own presence with the glory of the image I shared with you BEFORE the WORLD WAS.

Jesus once said: You call me Lord and rightly so; but why do you call me Lord and not do what I say? Obviously those people did not understand who the Lord was or that he was The LORD come as his own Son - the Promised one.

Do we believe Jesus? He said: When you have seen me, you have seen the Father. The Father and I are one.

John said that he was God's WORD ... (an invisible form of God's of God's voice working during creation) and even during the 7th day.
In fact, we can see clearly him working as The WORD within the Spirit of God in Genesis one. He said and He said and He said. Then we hear him working in Gen 2 along with the Father Emmanuel in the Garden and so forth.

Is anyone yet seeing there are works in the Spirit and works in the Visible realm?
Gen. 1 was spiritual works ... Gen. 2 the seventh day follows up with the works done in the visible realm. This is how God the Spirit rested while Emmanuel the Father and the WORD worked on the seventh day.

I could go on and on explaining but won't. Perhaps someone will read all this ... I'm not sure JudgeRightly will.

 

[Ps82]

You're still giving interpretation. I'm not asking for your interpretation.

I want the "why"s and "wherefore"s.

The Bible needs little to no interpretation.

Why are you trying to interpret it the way you are?

My why and wherefore is this: I want to know God the best I can. I believe in and depend upon the help of the Holy Spirit in me. He teaches me the things of scripture.

I'd love to hear you expound upon your suggestion: II Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

I agree. This is what I believe: The Bible interprets itself and with the help of the Holy Spirit an individual can find the truth.

First, I am no prophet that I know of LOL.
Second, I don't think I am giving an interpretation without the help of the Holy Spirit which is promised to me as a believer. I am trying to show myself and others how what I see in scripture is verified with other scripture ... and explain how I understand things.

I have expounded upon my ideas in length and appreciate your giving me a precise point to discuss. Thank you.