Muslims Are Split

patrick jane

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Let us explore the wide divisions of Islam. Islam is an unstable belief system and has been in turmoil since they started their cult 500 years after Jesus Christ. That seems enough time to create a false but new category of faith.

Divisions within Islam
by Matt Slick

Because of Islam's great growth geographically in the first two centuries of its inception, there needed to be a larger set of Islamic laws capable of handling the different needs of Muslims throughout the Empire. The Qur'an and the Hadith were not detailed enough to provide all the answers. Therefore, in the 8th century A.D., there arose a school of legal experts who interpreted and applied Islamic principles to different situations throughout the Empire. However, different scholars disagreed with these experts in various areas. This led to a variety of legal schools of thought within Islam.

These different schools became different sects within Islam. The largest of the sects is the Sunni, which comprises about 90% of all Muslims. The next two largest are the Shi'i and Sufi. After these, there are numerous splinter groups which are often named after the individual scholars who began them: Hanifa, after Abu Hanifa. Maliki, after Malik ibn Anas. Shafi'i, after Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi'i. Zaydi, after Zayd ibn Ali. The Nusayri, Ismaili, Murji'ah, etc.

Sunni Muslims
These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal, and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers and are considered to be mainstream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith, and consensus of Muslims.

The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son-in-law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.

Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam (Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.

"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate1 (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis. The Imamate, however, is the essence of Shi'ism. The last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites or rationalists whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology . . . " The Imamate, from the word "Imam " in the Shi'ite traditions, is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possesses great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.

Sufi Muslims
The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.

The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced, and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways, and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.

In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope, and with it the material gain was great.

Conclusion
As you can see, Islam is not the united religious system it claims to be. There are divisions among its ranks, and even those divisions have divisions. But what is interesting is that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to have no such divisions.

"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah--the [sic] which we have sent by inspiration to thee--and that which we enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them . . . ," (42:13).

If this is the case, then the Muslim must admit that the divisions within Islam are sinful. But, such is the nature of humanity--to divide and set ourselves against one another.
 

patrick jane

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Mooooslims can't understand their own faith, so they think murder and suicide killings actually do good. Freaks of nature !
 

patrick jane

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Let's get some Muslim feedback. There is supposedly a billion or so, can't they find their way to stand and speak ? Or are they all coward terrorists ?
 

Greg Jennings

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Let us explore the wide divisions of Islam. Islam is an unstable belief system and has been in turmoil since they started their cult 500 years after Jesus Christ. That seems enough time to create a false but new category of faith.

Divisions within Islam
by Matt Slick

Because of Islam's great growth geographically in the first two centuries of its inception, there needed to be a larger set of Islamic laws capable of handling the different needs of Muslims throughout the Empire. The Qur'an and the Hadith were not detailed enough to provide all the answers. Therefore, in the 8th century A.D., there arose a school of legal experts who interpreted and applied Islamic principles to different situations throughout the Empire. However, different scholars disagreed with these experts in various areas. This led to a variety of legal schools of thought within Islam.

These different schools became different sects within Islam. The largest of the sects is the Sunni, which comprises about 90% of all Muslims. The next two largest are the Shi'i and Sufi. After these, there are numerous splinter groups which are often named after the individual scholars who began them: Hanifa, after Abu Hanifa. Maliki, after Malik ibn Anas. Shafi'i, after Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi'i. Zaydi, after Zayd ibn Ali. The Nusayri, Ismaili, Murji'ah, etc.

Sunni Muslims
These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal, and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers and are considered to be mainstream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith, and consensus of Muslims.

The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son-in-law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.

Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam (Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.

"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate1 (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis. The Imamate, however, is the essence of Shi'ism. The last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites or rationalists whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology . . . " The Imamate, from the word "Imam " in the Shi'ite traditions, is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possesses great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.

Sufi Muslims
The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.

The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced, and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways, and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.

In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope, and with it the material gain was great.

Conclusion
As you can see, Islam is not the united religious system it claims to be. There are divisions among its ranks, and even those divisions have divisions. But what is interesting is that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to have no such divisions.

"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah--the [sic] which we have sent by inspiration to thee--and that which we enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them . . . ," (42:13).

If this is the case, then the Muslim must admit that the divisions within Islam are sinful. But, such is the nature of humanity--to divide and set ourselves against one another.
The old adage "don't throw stones if you live in a glass house" comes to mind.

Christianity doesn't have divisions, Patrick? How much tension have you seen on this site alone between Catholics and Protestants? And within those groups are more and more divisions. I mean, there are literally over 1000 Christian denominations. It's as fractured a religion as any out there.

Now, in today's world there is far less violence among the Christian denominations than there is among Muslim sects. But the division is just as much, if not greater
 

Greg Jennings

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Let's get some Muslim feedback. There is supposedly a billion or so, can't they find their way to stand and speak ? Or are they all coward terrorists ?

I haven't been here all that long, but judging by the way Wednesday Addams was treated I can't say I'm surprised that Muslims don't feel welcome here
 

bybee

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I haven't been here all that long, but judging by the way Wednesday Addams was treated I can't say I'm surprised that Muslims don't feel welcome here

As evangelists they are not welcome! And it has been my experience over the years that sooner or later every Muslim who posts here begins to evangelize.
 

SonOfCaleb

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There's a fantastic amount of ignorance, lack of context and historical illiteracy in this thread that reflects the hubris of western media Islamofobia. Listening to so called Christians rail on another faith from a position of ignorance is akin to listening to a criminal complaining about crime to a fellow criminal. The hypocrisy displayed here is certainly not 'Christ like' or Christian.
 

SonOfCaleb

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You couldn't say that a few hundred years ago.

Stuart

There are Christian denominations facing persecution today. And this is from some governments who claim to be Democracys and secular in nature such as France and Russia. The reality is Christian persecutions has existed in various forms since Christianitys inception.

Either way the reality is Christendom is far more fratured than Islam, the numerous schisms which invariably were disputes over power rather than doctrine being the primary basis for many of the Christian faiths that emerged after the 11th century.
At the turn if the century there were approximately 1600 Christian denomination's. That figure is now alledged to be at 43,000. Looking at it pragmatically only one of them can be correct....
 

Stuu

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There are Christian denominations facing persecution today. And this is from some governments who claim to be Democracys and secular in nature such as France and Russia. The reality is Christian persecutions has existed in various forms since Christianitys inception.
You've got to be joking, right? I realise christians get a hard time in Arab countries, but France? Russia? In Russia the orthodox church is virtually a state religion, exploited by Putin for political gain. That's not persecution, that's giving christianity special privilege. France is secular: that means no religion is favoured, for the protection of all religious delusions. Do you equate removal of special public privileges with persecution?

Either way the reality is Christendom is far more fratured than Islam, the numerous schisms which invariably were disputes over power rather than doctrine being the primary basis for many of the Christian faiths that emerged after the 11th century.
At the turn if the century there were approximately 1600 Christian denomination's. That figure is now alledged to be at 43,000. Looking at it pragmatically only one of them can be correct....
Or possibly none of them are correct.

Stuart
 

SonOfCaleb

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You've got to be joking, right? I realise christians get a hard time in Arab countries, but France? Russia? In Russia the orthodox church is virtually a state religion, exploited by Putin for political gain. That's not persecution, that's giving christianity special privilege. France is secular: that means no religion is favoured, for the protection of all religious delusions. Do you equate removal of special public privileges with persecution?

No. Im deadly serious. Im more than happy to provide evidence if you're interested, as the case in France got referred to the EU Court of human rights as freedom of religion is enshrined in EU law.
And im not talking about removal of privileges. Im talking about direct persecution.


Or possibly none of them are correct.

Stuart

If thats the case then Jesus is/was a liar and Christianity would be pointless...
 

JosephR

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Sons of Ismael....

Sons of Abrim...

if you think the Arabic community does not have a stake in your Hebrew sub sect..ie Christianity..then you are ,mistaken.. this war is promised.. and they,,we are determined to make it come to fruit..
 

OCTOBER23

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Genesis 16:10 ¶ And the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude.
11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

Revelation 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
 

Zeke

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Let us explore the wide divisions of Islam. Islam is an unstable belief system and has been in turmoil since they started their cult 500 years after Jesus Christ. That seems enough time to create a false but new category of faith.

Divisions within Islam
by Matt Slick

Because of Islam's great growth geographically in the first two centuries of its inception, there needed to be a larger set of Islamic laws capable of handling the different needs of Muslims throughout the Empire. The Qur'an and the Hadith were not detailed enough to provide all the answers. Therefore, in the 8th century A.D., there arose a school of legal experts who interpreted and applied Islamic principles to different situations throughout the Empire. However, different scholars disagreed with these experts in various areas. This led to a variety of legal schools of thought within Islam.

These different schools became different sects within Islam. The largest of the sects is the Sunni, which comprises about 90% of all Muslims. The next two largest are the Shi'i and Sufi. After these, there are numerous splinter groups which are often named after the individual scholars who began them: Hanifa, after Abu Hanifa. Maliki, after Malik ibn Anas. Shafi'i, after Muhammad ibn Idris al-Shafi'i. Zaydi, after Zayd ibn Ali. The Nusayri, Ismaili, Murji'ah, etc.

Sunni Muslims
These are followers of the Hanifa, Shafi, Hanibal, and Malik schools. They constitute a 90% majority of the believers and are considered to be mainstream traditionalists. Because they are comfortable pursuing their faith within secular societies, they have been able to adapt to a variety of national cultures while following their three sources of law: the Qur'an, Hadith, and consensus of Muslims.

The Sunni emphasize the power and sovereignty of Allah and his right to do whatever he wants with his creation. Strict determinism is taught. Its rulership is through the Caliphate, the office of Muslim ruler who is considered the successor to Muhammad. This successor is not through hereditary lineage.

Shi'ite Muslims
The Shi'ites (also known as the Ja'firi school) split with the Sunni over the issue of the successor to Muhammad. This split occured after the assassination of the fourth caliph in 661. Shi'ites believe that the successor to Muhammad should have been Ali, his son-in-law, and that subsequent successors should have been through his lineage through his wife Fatima.

Shi'ism is broken into three main sects: the Twelve-Imam (Persia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Pakistan, and Syria), the Zaydis (Yemen), and the Ismailis (India, Iran, Syria, and East Africa). Each group, of course, has differences of doctrine.

"Shi'ite theology includes a doctrine known as the five supports: these are Divine Unity (tawhid), prophecy (nubuwwah), resurrection of the soul and body at the Judgment (ma'ad), the Imamate1 (imamah), and justice ('adl). The first three are found in Sunni Islam, albeit with some differences of emphasis. The Imamate, however, is the essence of Shi'ism. The last, justice, is an inheritance from the Mu'tazilites or rationalists whose system is in many ways perpetuated in Shi'ite theology . . . " The Imamate, from the word "Imam " in the Shi'ite traditions, is the political and religious leader of the Shi'ite sect. This person possesses great power and influence. According to Shi'ite doctrine, the Imam must be a biological successor of Ali. The Imam is also sinless and infallible on all matters of Islamic doctrine and will intercede for Muslims in the afterlife. The Shi'i and the Sunni differ in some interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith and even have a different canon of Hadith and the Sunni.

Sufi Muslims
The Sufi are a mystical tradition where the followers seek inner mystical knowledge of God. This sect "officially" developed around the 10th century and has since fragmented into different orders: Ahmadiyya, Qadariyya, Tijaniyya, etc. Of course, the Sufi believe their roots can be traced back to the inception of Islam in the early 7th century.

The Sufi mystic must follow a path of deprivation and meditation. There are various forms of abstinence and poverty. Worldly things are renounced, and a complete trust in God's will is taught. The goal is to attain a higher knowledge and experience of Allah. The mystical focus meant that the Qur'an could be interpreted in different ways, and so Sufism taught that the Qur'an had mystical meanings hidden within its pages. Out of this mysticism a type of pantheism developed among some Sufi believers. Pantheism is the teaching that God and the universe are one. Of course, the orthodox Muslims, called the Sunni, reject this idea since they claim that Allah is the creator of the universe and distinct from it.

In part, Sufism arose as a reaction to the growing Islamic materialism that developed in the Empire at that time. Islam had achieved great power and geographical scope, and with it the material gain was great.

Conclusion
As you can see, Islam is not the united religious system it claims to be. There are divisions among its ranks, and even those divisions have divisions. But what is interesting is that the Qur'an tells the Muslims to have no such divisions.

"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah--the [sic] which we have sent by inspiration to thee--and that which we enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them . . . ," (42:13).

If this is the case, then the Muslim must admit that the divisions within Islam are sinful. But, such is the nature of humanity--to divide and set ourselves against one another.

Matt Slick? a CARMITE. Propaganda Matrix PJ, Plus you are controlled by fear as well, you wouldn't leave home without you're state issued ID or dare to live by you're unalienable rights, The state is you're God like it is for most regardless what they profess to believe.
 
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