Interesting point.
Miss USA says to love the terrorists..
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Interesting point.
Strike one. Not one. Unless you know libs who support gun rights and oppose abortion, by way of.
Never did anything of the sort. I've actually noted his flaws in a couple of threads more particularly about him. What I am mindful of is that most of us are flawed. Some more than others and some more quietly, but all of us require grace. And what I note about King is that despite his shortcomings he did something remarkable in service to an inarguable good.
What have you done?
You confuse a willingness to say whatever suits you with the truth and without any other demonstrable foundation. Your history book is written in crayon.
Which I also never did. So you're perfectly wrong, which is something. That said, I am faithful to my spouse. You vilify me. So enjoy that petard.
Barbarian observes:
Purex nailed it. Jesus showed us the way out of the cycle of violence. Only a few of us, like St. Francis, Ghandi, MLK, and others actually have managed to emulate His message.
Most of us can only aspire to it. Or turn our backs on what He said, entirely.
He was a man, far beyond your own self. And yes, like many great men, with serious flaws. And yet he had the courage to actually try what Christ told us to do, and he succeeded. America is a better, more just nation, because of MLK.
I think we all understand where you're coming from. Hope you get better.
Well, you know how ignorant barbarians are.
Purex nailed it. Jesus showed us the way out of the cycle of violence. Only a few of us, like St. Francis, Ghandi, MLK, and others actually have managed to emulate His message.
Most of us can only aspire to it. Or turn our backs on what He said, entirely.
He was a man, far beyond your own self. And yes, like many great men, with serious flaws. And yet he had the courage to actually try what Christ told us to do, and he succeeded. America is a better, more just nation, because of MLK.
I think we all understand where you're coming from. Hope you get better.
Well, you know how ignorant barbarians are.
Reagan's first marriage fell apart because he was repeatedly unfaithful to his wife, and ultimately abandoned her.
rainee
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Excuse me for saying this but you sound somehow self righteous and condemning of Christians..
So although I have been taught in much more detail who the Samaritans were and where they originally came from - let's do as you say and "preserve the original bite of the original" story, ok?
And let's do that in modern day - like "God's Love," a Christian organization that took meals to the homes of people who were infected and dying from AIDS in NYC. Of course they were doing this back when no one was sure exactly what might spread HIV.
I fear you are more confused with reality than most Christians are.
Get it?
rainee
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Greetings Barbarian,
You have posted this about Purex twice and I still can't tell if you are pulling our legs and having fun or are being serious?
Or maybe you are trying to set him up?
Do you actually believe:
??
You believe that? I fear it is a hopeless position to defend in the face of the past or facts... And if that is defenseless how can you or he justify the rest of his post? :nono: It was just too light weight, surely you thought that?
rainee
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When they made Him very angry about making The Temple "a house of thieves," He went and braided Himself a whip. And then He returned and drove them out with it.
When those who were using their religion and trying to kill Him also tried to prove any word He said wrong - He told them they were snakes.
But when men slapped Him, spit on Him and beat Him - He said nothing.
If you care about what Jesus said I hope you will tighten up your knowledge and understanding.
Fact is, Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. No maybes about it. We can believe it or we can deny it. But it doesn't change what He said.
rainee
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And what pray tell does that have to do with stopping and destroying terrorists, or Bonnie and Clyde, or Hitler?
One would have to have a pretty big ego to imagine any of these are your enemy when they do not or did not even know of your existence. Are they not worthy of death? Send them back to meet their Maker.
rainee
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Oh and btw, Republicanchick,
You said regarding these terrrorists:
I know you were speaking to make a dramatic point but I do not care what religion they are.
Did you read lately why God destroyed the world the first time??
No, these people should be stopped and destroyed - and their religion is of no interest to me. Anyway politics is usually playing a big part when it comes to seeking power through violence not faith, yes?
You said regarding these terrrorists:
I know you were speaking to make a dramatic point but I do not care what religion they are.
Did you read lately why God destroyed the world the first time??
No, these people should be stopped and destroyed - and their religion is of no interest to me. Anyway politics is usually playing a big part when it comes to seeking power through violence not faith, yes?
PureX
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You seem to be thoroughly confused about the difference between a crime and sin. You also seem to be very confused about who is God and who is not. And therefor who has the right to erase people from the face of the Earth and who does not have that right. And because you are so thoroughly confused about these things, you are advocating the destruction of millions of human beings that you know nothing about and have never even met. While at the same time claiming that they are not your enemies because they don't even know who you are.
I am stunned that a person can be that blindingly hateful, irrational, and thoroughly confused without even realizing it.
But, there you are.
I am stunned that a person can be that blindingly hateful, irrational, and thoroughly confused without even realizing it.
But, there you are.
Apparently then you find Gods actions in the Old Testament to be "blindingly hateful, irrational and thoroughly confused...?
There is to be no "Shaking the dust from one's sandals" in the presence of stupidity, greed and violence?
Love meaningless to the heart filled with hatred, violence and judgment. And those hearts are dangerous to the rest of us.
Greetings Barbarian,
You have posted this about Purex twice and I still can't tell if you are pulling our legs and having fun or are being serious?
Or maybe you are trying to set him up?
Do you actually believe:
??
You believe that? I fear it is a hopeless position to defend in the face of the past or facts... And if that is defenseless how can you or he justify the rest of his post? :nono: It was just too light weight, surely you thought that?
Indeed. And he hasn't replied to my post 149 (page 10) which was in response.
The inactivists seem to have much to answer. They haven't justified their position as being peaceful. All that will happen is that they invite the violent to carry on being violent. I don't think they deserve to be called pacifists.
So Barbarian, are you going to give an answer to 149? At least don't keep me in suspense!
PureX
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That was exactly my point, though you somehow seemed to have missed it.
Barbarian observes:
Defending yourself is not a sin.
Doesn't have to be either. I try not to hate anyone. And often, when threatened, I've managed to defend myself without violence. But not always.
You seem to be confused over the fact that we don't always manage to follow Jesus and His advice, with the fact that He told us to love our enemies.
Barbarian observes:
It's just that there's a better way. And no, I'm not good enough to do that, much of the time.
Few of us are that Christlike.
Yes.
Jesus clearly told us what to do. You're dismayed, because it could cost you your pride, you property, even your life. And I get that. But even if it's got all those consequences, it's still what He told us to do.
Not being perfect is a humbling experience, no? We aren't as good as we are called to be. None of us is. But we can try. So, I don't hate, and I try to love my enemies and care about them. And I avoid violence, even when I could make it work for me.
If you think being weak excuses sin, you're still not getting it. And even then, it's not always a sin to fall short of what we are called to be.
Barbarian observes:
We have a right to live, and if we have to resort to the sword to live, we aren't sinning.
But the cycle of violence goes on thereby.
Unfortunately, it often is. The point is what He made of it; live by the sword; die by the sword.
Sin and violence are not synonyms.
To understand this, you'll have to know yourself, not me.
For neither of us, then.
Moral dilemmas often cause us to be angry with others.
Normally it isnt.
Most often, it is. I've been able to talk my way out of a lot of situations, but sometimes, that fails, and I've been unwilling to turn the other cheek. That's my failing.
Often it is. Did we defend ourselves against the Japanese? Was there violence and hatred involved? Sure there was.
How about radical Muslims?
Defending yourself is not a sin.
Doesn't have to be either. I try not to hate anyone. And often, when threatened, I've managed to defend myself without violence. But not always.
You seem to be confused over the fact that we don't always manage to follow Jesus and His advice, with the fact that He told us to love our enemies.
Barbarian observes:
It's just that there's a better way. And no, I'm not good enough to do that, much of the time.
Few of us are that Christlike.
Yes.
Jesus clearly told us what to do. You're dismayed, because it could cost you your pride, you property, even your life. And I get that. But even if it's got all those consequences, it's still what He told us to do.
Not being perfect is a humbling experience, no? We aren't as good as we are called to be. None of us is. But we can try. So, I don't hate, and I try to love my enemies and care about them. And I avoid violence, even when I could make it work for me.
If you think being weak excuses sin, you're still not getting it. And even then, it's not always a sin to fall short of what we are called to be.
Barbarian observes:
We have a right to live, and if we have to resort to the sword to live, we aren't sinning.
But the cycle of violence goes on thereby.
Unfortunately, it often is. The point is what He made of it; live by the sword; die by the sword.
Sin and violence are not synonyms.
To understand this, you'll have to know yourself, not me.
For neither of us, then.
Moral dilemmas often cause us to be angry with others.
Normally it isnt.
Most often, it is. I've been able to talk my way out of a lot of situations, but sometimes, that fails, and I've been unwilling to turn the other cheek. That's my failing.
Often it is. Did we defend ourselves against the Japanese? Was there violence and hatred involved? Sure there was.
How about radical Muslims?
Christ said to love our neighbor too, which is a bit more inclusive. If our neighbor is being slaughtered by a willful evil that we possess the might to forestall then how can we love them and allow it?
PureX
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How can God love us and allow it?
Allow us free will to act? How could He love us and not?
PureX
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And our neighbors as ourselves. I was speaking to how we treat the enemies of our neighbors.