ECT LETS DEBATE BAPTISM , IN 1 Cor 15:29 !!

DAN P

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Hi to all and many will always believe in WATER / HUDOR , BAPTISM / BAPTIZO and reads , Else what shall they do which are BAPTIZED for the DEAD , if thre dead rise not at all ? why are they then BAPTIZED for the DEAD ??

IF this is WATER BAPTISM in 1 Cor 15:29 , WHERE IS THE WATER / HUDOR ??

In Heb 6:the Hebrews are to LEAVE / FORSAKE the Doctrines of Baptisms and is in the PLURAL ,

BAPTISMS and will always go back to Matt 3:6-8 and Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16-18 , but the CONTEXT destroys their premise !!

And also lay behind the doctrine of REPENTANCE !!

So , let the debate begin ??

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi to all and many will always believe in WATER / HUDOR , BAPTISM / BAPTIZO and reads , Else what shall they do which are BAPTIZED for the DEAD , if thre dead rise not at all ? why are they then BAPTIZED for the DEAD ??

IF this is WATER BAPTISM in 1 Cor 15:29 , WHERE IS THE WATER / HUDOR ??

In Heb 6:the Hebrews are to LEAVE / FORSAKE the Doctrines of Baptisms and is in the PLURAL ,

BAPTISMS and will always go back to Matt 3:6-8 and Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16-18 , but the CONTEXT destroys their premise !!

And also lay behind the doctrine of REPENTANCE !!

So , let the debate begin ??

dan p

In Hebrews, we are not told to forget about the baptism of repentance, we are told that it is the foundation.
 

God's Truth

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Hi to all and many will always believe in WATER / HUDOR , BAPTISM / BAPTIZO and reads , Else what shall they do which are BAPTIZED for the DEAD , if thre dead rise not at all ? why are they then BAPTIZED for the DEAD ??

IF this is WATER BAPTISM in 1 Cor 15:29 , WHERE IS THE WATER / HUDOR ??

In Heb 6:the Hebrews are to LEAVE / FORSAKE the Doctrines of Baptisms and is in the PLURAL ,

BAPTISMS and will always go back to Matt 3:6-8 and Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16-18 , but the CONTEXT destroys their premise !!

And also lay behind the doctrine of REPENTANCE !!

So , let the debate begin ??

dan p

As for the baptism of the dead, I would like to explain that to you too.


1 Corinthians 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?


People are baptized so that Jesus will resurrect them from the dead.

They are baptized for the sake of the dead condition their bodies will be in when they die until the resurrection of the dead.

They got baptized for the dead to be raised---themselves to be raised from the dead.

Read this next scripture where Paul says that HE AND THE OTHER APOSTLES would be false witnesses to say God raised up Christ if Christ was not raised:


15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.

19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.



Paul explains how Jesus was raised from the dead. Paul then goes back to explaining that if Jesus was not raised, what else shall they (believers) do which are baptized for the dead---when they are dead.



29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?


30 And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?

31 I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
 

DAN P

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In Hebrews, we are not told to forget about the baptism of repentance, we are told that it is the foundation.

Hi and that what you wrote is true , THEN there must be more than one BAPTIZO , BAPTISMOS , BAPTO , BAPTISMA , PLACED , IDENTIFICATION , GAVE !!

dan p
 

DAN P

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In Hebrews, we are not told to forget about the baptism of repentance, we are told that it is the foundation.

Hi and in Heb 6:1 and 2 , it says to FORSAKE /LEAVING the doctrine of Christ let us go unto perfection , not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE from dead works , and of FAITH towards God (2) of the doctrine of BAPTISMS and BAPTISMS is PLURAL , and the LAYING on of HANDS , and of RESURRECTION of the DEAD and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT !!

Did you read it WRONG ??

dan p
 

God's Truth

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Hi and that what you wrote is true , THEN there must be more than one BAPTIZO , BAPTISMOS , BAPTO , BAPTISMA , PLACED , IDENTIFICATION , GAVE !!

dan p

There is only one baptism that saves, and it is baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, we are still to get water baptized.
 

God's Truth

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Hi and in Heb 6:1 and 2 , it says to FORSAKE /LEAVING the doctrine of Christ let us go unto perfection , not laying again the foundation of REPENTANCE from dead works , and of FAITH towards God (2) of the doctrine of BAPTISMS and BAPTISMS is PLURAL , and the LAYING on of HANDS , and of RESURRECTION of the DEAD and of ETERNAL JUDGMENT !!

Did you read it WRONG ??

dan p

You read it wrong.
 

jamie

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Hi and that what you wrote is true , THEN there must be more than one BAPTIZO , BAPTISMOS , BAPTO , BAPTISMA , PLACED , IDENTIFICATION , GAVE !!

With regard to Jesus there were two baptisms. There was the baptism Jesus was baptized with and there is the baptism by the holy Spirit.

Baptism by the holy Spirit is the one that counts for us.

Jesus was not baptized by the holy Spirit, he was baptized by John.

The holy Spirit landed on Jesus in the form of a dove.

This was a one time occurrence.
 

DAN P

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With regard to Jesus there were two baptisms. There was the baptism Jesus was baptized with and there is the baptism by the holy Spirit.

Baptism by the holy Spirit is the one that counts for us.

Jesus was not baptized by the holy Spirit, he was baptized by John.

The holy Spirit landed on Jesus in the form of a dove.

This was a one time occurrence.


Hi and you are avoiding post #8 ??

dan p
 

turbosixx

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IF this is WATER BAPTISM in 1 Cor 15:29 , WHERE IS THE WATER / HUDOR ??
If it's not water, how can someone be baptized for a dead person?



In Heb 6:the Hebrews are to LEAVE / FORSAKE the Doctrines of Baptisms and is in the PLURAL ,
Context In chapter 5 he's getting on to them because they have to be taught the basics again. One of those foundational basics is baptism.
Heb. 5:11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
He wants to leave those basics and go on to maturity.
6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Not leave them behind because they're not necessary anymore but to grow past those foundational principles.
 

DAN P

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If it's not water, how can someone be baptized for a dead person?




Context In chapter 5 he's getting on to them because they have to be taught the basics again. One of those foundational basics is baptism.
Heb. 5:11 About this we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have become dull of hearing. 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,
He wants to leave those basics and go on to maturity.
6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
Not leave them behind because they're not necessary anymore but to grow past those foundational principles.



Hi and I do not believe in WATER BAPTISM for today AS YOU DO , so how are they BAPTIZED for the DEAD in 1 Cor 15:29 ??\

dan p
 

turbosixx

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Hi and I do not believe in WATER BAPTISM for today AS YOU DO , so how are they BAPTIZED for the DEAD in 1 Cor 15:29 ??\

dan p
They were being water baptism on behalf of a loved one who has died believing that their loved ones would receive the benefits of the baptism.

Since you believe it's not water, then how were people being baptized on behalf of the dead?
29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
 

DAN P

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They were being water baptism on behalf of a loved one who has died believing that their loved ones would receive the benefits of the baptism.

Since you believe it's not water, then how were people being baptized on behalf of the dead?
29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?


Hi and read Rom 6:4 and 5 !!

dan p
 

DAN P

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I know the passage. That doesn't explain how these people were being baptized on behalf of dead people.


Hi and most nwill agree that they is no PROXY BAPTISM , like some cults believe !!

Also that it is not WATER BAPTISM as there is ONLY one BAPTISMA , which means that there is ONLY one BAPTISMA / BAPTIZER for today , the Holy Spirit in Eph 4:5 called BAPTISMA !!

The verb WHICH ARE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and PLACES / BAPTIZO in the dispensation of the Grace of God and not the Kingdom of Heaven with the 12 Apostles !!

How are we BAPTIZED / PLACED for the DEAD and Rom 6:4 we are BAPTISMA / PLACED into His DEATH BAPTISM Rom 6:3 and that we will be RAISED from the DEAD as 1 Cor 15:51-58 and 1 Thess 4:13-18 says !!\

And if the DEAD rise not at ALL why were BAPTIZED for the DEAD if we will not be RAISED AGAIN ??

dan p
 

turbosixx

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Hi and most nwill agree that they is no PROXY BAPTISM , like some cults believe !!
I agree there is no proxy baptism.

Also that it is not WATER BAPTISM as there is ONLY one BAPTISMA , which means that there is ONLY one BAPTISMA / BAPTIZER for today , the Holy Spirit in Eph 4:5 called BAPTISMA !!

The verb WHICH ARE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE and PLACES / BAPTIZO in the dispensation of the Grace of God and not the Kingdom of Heaven with the 12 Apostles !!

How are we BAPTIZED / PLACED for the DEAD and Rom 6:4 we are BAPTISMA / PLACED into His DEATH BAPTISM Rom 6:3 and that we will be RAISED from the DEAD as 1 Cor 15:51-58 and 1 Thess 4:13-18 says !!\

And if the DEAD rise not at ALL why were BAPTIZED for the DEAD if we will not be RAISED AGAIN ??

dan p

This doesn't answer the question.

If someone didn't get water baptized in place of a dead person, then HOW did they baptize on behalf of their dead?
 

DAN P

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I agree there is no proxy baptism.



This doesn't answer the question.

If someone didn't get water baptized in place of a dead person, then HOW did they baptize on behalf of their dead?

Hi and I told you , BUT you say that I did not answer the question !!

Some body may help you as Rom 6:3 and 4 can not help and most have no idea what 1 Cor 15:29 means and are stuck with WATER BAPTISM in and AGE where there is NO WATER / HUDOR BAPTISM , Eph 4:5 where it says ONE BAPTISMA !!

Maybe some one who believes in BAPTISM for the DEAD will or can PERSUADE you , Gal 1:10 applies here !!

dan p
 
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turbosixx

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Hi and I told you , BUT you say that I did not answer the question !!

Some body may help you as Rom 6:3 and 4 can not help and most have no idea what 1 Cor 15:29 means and are stuck with WATER BAPTISM in and AGE where there is NO WATER / HUDOR BAPTISM , Eph 4:5 where it says ONE BAPTISMA !!

Maybe some one who believes in BAPTISM for the DEAD will or can PERSUADE you , Gal 1:10 applies here !!

dan p

What was the process the people did to baptize for a dead person? Simple question. Just tell me plain English what you think they did.
 

God's Truth

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I agree there is no proxy baptism.



This doesn't answer the question.

If someone didn't get water baptized in place of a dead person, then HOW did they baptize on behalf of their dead?

That scripture is not about getting water baptized in place of anyone.

That scripture is about getting water baptized so that your body when dead can be raised.
 

turbosixx

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That scripture is not about getting water baptized in place of anyone.

That scripture is about getting water baptized so that your body when dead can be raised.

It actually is talking about people being baptized for ones who have died.
29 Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
 
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