Romans 13:12--"For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:"
Jesus' word is the center of Christianity.
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Yes. Faith without works is dead, a dead faith. A dead faith will not save. At the same time it is faith that saves and not the works, not the works of the Law. No one is justified by the works of the Law (by what they have done). But faith is obedience or yields or brings about obedience. A faith without obedience may not be faith at all. Some say they have faith when they do not. At the same time, when a person does have faith it is God who saves or has saved them. This means when a person says they have faith, they may be saved. We may not be able to judge. But, we may be called upon to present the gospel clearly to that person. They must know that is it not by works that a person is saved. And that if they have faith, God has appointed them to good works. I think that is what James was saying. That if you say you have faith but don't have works, you may not even have (true) faith yet.
Galatians 2:7 states; "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
There were two different Gospels being preached at that time.
There were two different Gospels being preached at that time.
Yes, that is not all that Paul did, preaching to Gentiles. But it is what he rightly came to believe he was called to do. And that, by Jesus Himself.
Acts 9:15 NASB - 15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
The Grace Gospel concerning the "Body of Christ" didn't come about until the ascended Christ met Paul on the road to Damascus and subsequently, Paul was sent to the Gentiles with the message he had received from Christ.
Paul went and preached the Grace Gospel to the Gentiles.
Peter continued to go to the House of Israel with the Kingdom Message.
Peter continued to go to the House of Israel with the Kingdom Message.
Not two gospels. Two ministries. One was the gospel to the circumcision. The other, the gospel to the uncircumcision. To the circumcised would deal with the Jews, meaning Israel, under the Law or simply just those who were coming to faith from among the Jews (God's commands for the nation of Israel intact?). The uncircumcised were without the law and they came to believe in Christ by faith the same as the Jews who received the gospel, but they did not have the requirement to be circumcised or observe all of the Law of Moses... I believe you understand that.
Philippians 3:7 NASB - 7 But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.
1 Corinthians 9:19-21 NASB - 19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under the Law, so that I might win those who are under the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
Peter preached to Jews and then Gentiles.
Paul preached to Jews and then Gentiles.
Peter preached to or was given a ministry to the Jews.
Paul preached to or was given a ministry to the Gentiles.
Both preached to Jews first and then to Gentiles. Paul left the nation of Israel first, and still preached to Jews first.
We would need to look at this in depth.
You're getting confused Jacob, you need to stop sitting on the fence and choose either your Jewish beliefs or your Christian beliefs. You said you're going to both. I think you're becoming confused by these two messages? Pick only one. Personally, I think you should choose a nice non-denominational, Bible believing, Christ centered church in your area.
Yes, but then I don't know who 1 Peter and 2 Peter were written to. I also don't know what you mean by Kingdom Message.
I'm done for tonight Jacob. Good night.
I already attend one. But Christians are Jews and Gentiles alike. It doesn't matter what nation you belong to you can be a Christian. The gospel is not different for different people. We still have God's commands. And we still have faith.
Shalom. And, good night.
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Jesus came with GRACE for ALL. First to the lost sheep of Israel, then to everyone else.
John 1:17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Thank you. I do not have the word grace associated with anything Peter said, but it was grace none the less.
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You are welcome. Thank you, too.
1 Peter 1:2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
1 Peter 1:10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care,
1 Peter 5:12 [ Final Greetings ] With the help of Silas, whom I regard as a faithful brother, I have written to you briefly, encouraging you and testifying that this is the true grace of God. Stand fast in it.
2 Peter 3:18 But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.
Thanks! I was thinking only of what Peter preached to Jews and Gentiles in both cases where the Spirit was poured out.
You are reminding me of 1 Peter and 2 Peter, that they have the word grace in them.
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Peter acted out of line with the gospel when he was afraid of the Jews.
Galatians 2:12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.
Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
This was after Peter preached to the Gentiles, although I don't know if there is a connection here.