Jesus versus Mohammed: Fun Facts

egyptianmuslim

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I liked the chapeter (yes whole chapter) on Mary in the Quran. She seemed to be far more revered than she is in the bible.


All Muslims like this part of Quran


See what we needed was a responsible Muslim saying:

" Muslims hate this part of Quran.
We love women and treat them as equals."


But thats obviouslly not happening today..

Again
Because you are nervous you dont understand my post to Pnevma.

Quran 16|125|Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is best aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.
 

Nazaroo

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Again
Because you are nervous you dont understand my post to Pnevma.

Quran 16|125|Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and fair exhortation, and reason with them in the better way. Lo! thy Lord is best aware of him who strayeth from His way, and He is Best Aware of those who go aright.

Its too bad that you don't realise that instead of convincing people to be Muslims,
you are convincing them that Muslims are fools.

Are you working for the CIA?
 

egyptianmuslim

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That's interesting their God says "Allah is the best of deceivers" that's a negative mark if I ever seen one. Why would I trust this Allahs book then? I won't and can't.

Who did create Satan?
Can God erase Satan and his work? why God does not Do?
 

Aimiel

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God created Satan, for His Purposes.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
 

Nazaroo

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The Bible took about 1500 years

Here's the thing:

Jews and Christians believe that the Bible is a historical compilation
and collection of earlier texts spanning many centuries.
this circumstance creates translational and historical problems,
as languages change and history evolves.

Muslims believe the Quran was dictated by an angel to Muhammed,
just as Mormons believe their books were dictated by an angel to Joseph Smith.

In the Joseph Smith case,
he claimed to supernaturally translate an Egyptian papyrus into
the "book of Abraham":
it appears from subsequent cracking of Hieroglyphics,
that Joseph Smith did not actually translate his Egyptian scroll
but misrepresented it as it was printed in first editions of his books.
He probably believed at the time that no one would ever crack Hieroglyphics.

http://www.biblequery.org/OtherBeliefs/Mormonism/BookOfAbraham.htm


In the Quran case, many historical anachronisms appear,
reflecting a semi-illiterate Arab's view of history,
but these cannot be explained as due to the accumulation over time
of errors and translational problems of Holy writings, as in the Bible.

Instead it directly reflects on the illiteracy of the messenger,
and the fakery of the message "from Allah".
Would the real Allah (God) be ignorant of historical facts?


  1. History:
  2. The Qur'an Attacks ... Christianity?
  3. Selling Joseph for a few Dirhams? (before coins were even invented)
  4. Moses and the Samaritan?
  5. The farthest Mosque?
  6. Alexander the Great, a Muslim?
  7. None else was named "John" before John the Baptist?
  8. Two Pharaohs who crucified?
  9. Burnt bricks in Egypt?
  10. How many gods did the Egyptians worship?
  11. Israel, the Quran and the Promised Land
  12. Were they utterly destroyed?
  13. What kind of book is the Injil?
  14. Jesus was not crucified?
  15. The anachronistic title al-`Aziz given to Potiphar
 

Aimiel

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Can God erase Satan and stop deceiving?
Indeed, He can and will. Read Revelation, the last Book of the New Testament. Satan will be arrested for 1,000 years and there will be NO TEMPTATION on earth for that period. Jesus will be on His Throne in Jerusalem in the restored Temple. Then Satan will be let loose to test those who were born during Jesus' Reign over the earth. Then all who have ever lived will be judged and then God will reveal His biggest surprise: a New Heaven and a New Earth, un-spoiled by sin.
 

Crowns&Laurels

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The books of the bible aren't claimed to be all penned by one man. Theres the difference.

And so the Bible took 1500 years and many men to write.

The point is that saying it took Mohammad decades to write the Quran just isn't a good argument. Just like how God's revelations to man took time, so to could a Muslim argue that it was the same with Mohammad.
 

egyptianmuslim

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Indeed, He can and will. Read Revelation, the last Book of the New Testament. Satan will be arrested for 1,000 years and there will be NO TEMPTATION on earth for that period. Jesus will be on His Throne in Jerusalem in the restored Temple. Then Satan will be let loose to test those who were born during Jesus' Reign over the earth. Then all who have ever lived will be judged and then God will reveal His biggest surprise: a New Heaven and a New Earth, un-spoiled by sin.

Indeed, of course.
God is behind every things occuring in the universe good or evil.
 

egyptianmuslim

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If the Quran took 23 years to write, it could not have been written by God, who could dictate it in a couple of hours.
Look to the part of Bible that about life and journey of Moses, how much of time is needed for Moses to know all the commandments/talks of God to him??
 
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Aimiel

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Indeed, of course.
God is behind every things occuring in the universe good or evil.
No. He created evil. He doesn't promote it or ever commit any. He is Holy. He cannot sin. It is against His Nature and Character. He is only Good. There is no evil in Him. He is Perfect. He is rooting for the home team: Heaven. When we become Christian by being born again we join that team. We become citizens of Heaven. We become His sons and daughters. Without a relationship with God through Christ's Blood we have no life in us. We are dead due to our sins. Those who don't believe in Christ are not written in His Book of Life.
 

egyptianmuslim

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No. He created evil. He doesn't promote it or ever commit any. He is Holy. He cannot sin. It is against His Nature and Character. He is only Good. There is no evil in Him. He is Perfect. He is rooting for the home team: Heaven. When we become Christian by being born again we join that team. We become citizens of Heaven. We become His sons and daughters. Without a relationship with God through Christ's Blood we have no life in us. We are dead due to our sins. Those who don't believe in Christ are not written in His Book of Life.

Is the work/activity of evil or Satan outside the will of God??
 

Nazaroo

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Is the work/activity of evil or Satan outside the will of God??


The distinction between God's patience with sin
and His approval of sin must be clearly made.

(1) God may allow sin, in the process of an unfolding plan,
removing the power of sinners to change the future, especially Judgement.

(2) God may forgive sins, and intervene to correct sins,
in the process of granting mercy upon sinners, and assisting people
to STOP sinning.

(3) God may warn that certain behaviours will lead to sin,
or prophesy that habitual sins will lead to more sin and/or evil and calamity,
WITHOUT approving of sin.


The problem with Islam and the Quran is that

the difference between
allowing sin to take place, prophesying sin and its consequences,
forgiving sins and correcting mistakes,

is being confused with
God's will and desire that we NOT sin,
God's DISAPPROVAL with sin and those who commit sins,
God's merciful patience, which is NOT infinite,
God's ability to predict sins and their consequences.

If Islam and the Quran someday were to correctly reflect the true nature of
the REAL God, merciful and loving Creator of the Universe,
who does NOT approve of sin,
it would become a real religion, and not a paramilitary cult
made up by a warmongering jerk.
 

Nazaroo

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Nazaroo

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It is prohibited by Quran to compare between them because both of them are from God


It is prohibited by the Quran to use your God-given brain, mind and power of logic
to compare Islam and Christianity!

It is prohibited to think.

Move along: nothing to see here.

Trust your overlords.

Don't look at their lizard tails or strange skin.

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Nazaroo

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And so the Bible took 1500 years and many men to write.

The point is that saying it took Mohammad decades to write the Quran just isn't a good argument. Just like how God's revelations to man took time, so to could a Muslim argue that it was the same with Mohammad.

No, it remains a good argument.

The Quran is still a fake book, a military handbook disguised as a religious book.

The correct comparison would be Moses vs Mohammed.

The real Bible is indeed a collection of writings spanning thousands of years,
and compiled by careful selection of books which passed the test of
authenticity and time.

For instance, Books by prophets successfully prophesied and predicted
stunning events, such as improbable victories and supernatural rescues.

The Law Books appear in a context with Moses performing miracles
and rescuing a people out of slavery which authenticated his claims of
acting for and speaking on behalf of God.

The writings, like David's prayerbooks, or the histories of Esther and Ezra
are public documents describing historical events, as are Kings and Chronicles.

But in all the collected books of the Bible spanning many centuries,
there is a common theme, and that is the serious question of SIN,
and God's problem with the sins of Man and of Israel and individual kings.

Where is that in the Quran?

Some similarities:

(1) Mohammed appears as a representative of God to the Arabs.

(2) Mohammed gives some rules for living and a way of life.

(3) Mohammed piggie-backs on previous dealings between God and Man.

(4) Mohammed authenticates Judaism and Christianity but claims to supercede them.


But here is where the similarity essentially ends.

(1) Moses performs public miracles and convinces both the Israelites AND their enemies that God is real and sovereign.

Mohammed is simply a non-miraculous warlord who uses threats, fear,
and violence to convert people to Islam.

(2) Moses gives a set of moral Laws forming a national criminal code.
Its core is public, objective, unchangeable and requires commitment
through a Covenant with God.

Mohammed offers no new criminal code.
Instead he takes Jewish Law for granted but distorts its practice
so badly that it is mostly negated and or reversed in its practical impact.
Adultery becomes legal through Jihad, by killing husbands (Murder).
Idolatry is tolerated at Mecca, but not tolerated anywhere else.
Theft is sanctioned through Jihad, but over-punished in Muslim society.
Safeguards against False Witness are sabotaged through systemic sexism.
Whereas the Law of Moses is designed to control excesses in servitude,
and end slavery, and the law is equally applied to everyone,
Mohammed creates an elite and privileged class, namely Muslim males.
All others have servant status or no status, are under a death penalty,
or are exploited to serve Muslims.

(3) Moses Identifies with previous interactions by the Biblical God,
and maintains a continuity and consistency of behaviour.

Mohammed however, changes the nature and behaviour of God,
so that it is impossible to identify God with the Islamic "Allah".
The Islamic "Allah" is no longer concerned with sin as a universal problem,
but only commitment to joining the 'right side'.
All sinful behaviour is now regulated and channelled into 'Jihad'.
Its okay to murder, rape, steal non-believers, foreigners, non-conformists.
There is no obligation to be honest with unbelievers,
and heretics and infidels are not reasoned with, but simply murdered.
Turncoats, traitors, betrayers, liars, frauds, are rewarded as long as
they are switching sides to Islam.
The morality and ethics of the Islamic God, "Allah" have become tribal,
sectarian, sexist, near-sighted, and materialistic,
simply reflecting the concerns of greedy Arab leaders.
Heaven is no longer a place of real peace, holiness, and integrity,
but a playground for sexual perverts.

(4) Moses uptdates, supersedes or expands previous Covenants,
but doesn't change the moral and legal obligations.

Mohammed no longer has any sense of Biblical 'Covenant'.
Islam is not a covenant with a particular people or with a group
committed to a moral standard or contract.
Islam is just a murderous criminal gang or outlaw army,
which seeks members and wealth, expansion of territory and earthly power.
There is no sense of service to humankind, or obligation to maintain peace
with outsiders.
There is no sense of obligation to enlighten unbelievers other
than threaten to kill them for non-conversion
and take their wives and property.

(5) Islam is not a true advance of religion in the way that Christianity is.

Whereas Christianity attempts to take the best of Judaic Religion,
and expand it become a universal application for all,
Islam is actually an ignorant and retroversion back to tribal standards
of morality and materialistic ethics of the most primitive and backward kind.
 
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