Jesus is not now a Jew.

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Lazy afternoon

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Hi,

Jesus is not now a Jew since His resurrection to being the express image of His Father.

The Father of Jesus is not, nor ever was a Jew.

Christians are told that at the return of Christ, they will be in the image of Christ.

Christians will not become Jews at the resurrection.

Though Christians may be true Jews inwardly now, (many who claim to be are not) the natural Jew according to race has no special claim on God any more than those of any peoples.

and remember that Christians have children too and God cares for them more so than for the children of those who reject Jesus Christ.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

LA
 
commonsense

commonsense

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Lazy afternoon said:
Hi,

Jesus is not now a Jew since His resurrection to being the express image of His Father.

The Father of Jesus is not, nor ever was a Jew.

Christians are told that at the return of Christ, they will be in the image of Christ.

Christians will not become Jews at the resurrection.

Though Christians may be true Jews inwardly now, (many who claim to be are not) the natural Jew according to race has no special claim on God any more than those of any peoples.

and remember that Christians have children too and God cares for them more so than for the children of those who reject Jesus Christ.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

LA
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Say what.....?
 
bsmitts

bsmitts

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Lazy afternoon said:
Hi,

Jesus is not now a Jew since His resurrection to being the express image of His Father.

The Father of Jesus is not, nor ever was a Jew.

Christians are told that at the return of Christ, they will be in the image of Christ.

Christians will not become Jews at the resurrection.

Though Christians may be true Jews inwardly now, (many who claim to be are not) the natural Jew according to race has no special claim on God any more than those of any peoples.

and remember that Christians have children too and God cares for them more so than for the children of those who reject Jesus Christ.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

LA
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You might want to be careful making claims about Jesus Christ of which there IS NO SCRIPTURE!
 
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Interplanner

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Lazy afternoon said:
Hi,

Jesus is not now a Jew since His resurrection to being the express image of His Father.

The Father of Jesus is not, nor ever was a Jew.

Christians are told that at the return of Christ, they will be in the image of Christ.

Christians will not become Jews at the resurrection.

Though Christians may be true Jews inwardly now, (many who claim to be are not) the natural Jew according to race has no special claim on God any more than those of any peoples.

and remember that Christians have children too and God cares for them more so than for the children of those who reject Jesus Christ.

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

LA
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These are sound points. Christ is transcultural, not multicultural. The Australian professor Paxton used to say: 'When the Pharisees accused Jesus of being a Samaritan and demon-possessed, we should notice very carefully how he responded. He denied being demon-possessed but never denied being a Samaritan. He is a Jamaican-Swedish-Hindi-South African-Welsh man.'
 
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chair

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Silly business. Some of you have terrible Jew hang-ups. Grow up.

Jesus is a dead Jew.
 
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daqq

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chair said:
If Jesus died on the cross, that makes him a....
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Not only did Kaiaphas, Kohen Gadol, disqualify himself that year for rending his garment, (Lev 10:6, Lev 21:10, Mat 26:65) meaning that he was reckoned as "dead" from that very moment and therefore disqualified from presiding over any further ceremonies including the Chagigah, (which was yet to be offered) but also the Father is not Elohim of the dead but Elohim of the living. Even Moshe revealed this at the burning bush as Yeshua says. There is no way around what is written at the burning bush unless you want to accept the blatant error that Elohim is the Elohim of dead people. Abraham, Yitschak, and Yakob had already "shed their carcasses", and yet they were not dead even in the days of Moshe. Moreover night fell at Golgotha, from the sixth hour to the ninth hour, because the Father brought down the sun at midday, (Amos 8:9-10). The rulers therefore violated the Torah concerning anyone hanged on a tree and leaving his body on the tree through the night, (an evening and a morning is a day whether it encompasses an hour or twenty-four hours).
 
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chair

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daqq said:
Not only did Kaiaphas, Kohen Gadol, disqualify himself that year for rending his garment, (Lev 10:6, Lev 21:10, Mat 26:65) meaning that he was reckoned as "dead" from that very moment and therefore disqualified from presiding over any further ceremonies including the Chagigah, (which was yet to be offered) but also the Father is not Elohim of the dead but Elohim of the living. Even Moshe revealed this at the burning bush as Yeshua says. There is no way around what is written at the burning bush unless you want to accept the blatant error that Elohim is the Elohim of dead people. Abraham, Yitschak, and Yakob had already "shed their carcasses", and yet they were not dead even in the days of Moshe. Moreover night fell at Golgotha, from the sixth hour to the ninth hour, because the Father brought down the sun at midday, (Amos 8:9-10). The rulers therefore violated the Torah concerning anyone hanged on a tree and leaving his body on the tree through the night, (an evening and a morning is a day whether it encompasses an hour or twenty-four hours).
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I can't make head or tail of what you wrote. The only part I understood was the rending of the garment- but you took the verses from Leviticus out of context.
 
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daqq

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chair said:
I can't make head or tail of what you wrote. The only part I understood was the rending of the garment- but you took the verses from Leviticus out of context.
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Out of context? Do you not know that Leviticus 10 is 14/15 Abib? Seven days the altar of sacrifice must be atoned before it can be anointed, (Exo 29:36-37). In the same day that the altar of sacrifice is anointed Ahron and his sons are also anointed at the same time with the altar, (Lev 8:1-32). After Ahron and his sons are anointed their consecrations are then seven days wherein they cannot go out of the door of Tent of the Congregation, (Lev 8:33-36). The seven days consecrations of the altar and the seven days consecrations of Ahron and his sons are 13/14 days. The "Eighth Day" of the consecrations of Ahron and his sons, (Lev 9:1) is therefore 14/15 Abib of the second year of bney Yisrael having come forth out of the land of Egypt. What they teach from Talmud concerning the dedication of the altar is incorrect because they learned not how to count the days in BaMidbar.

Moshe was commanded to set up the Mishkan Tent of the Congregation in the first day of the first month of the second year in the wilderness, (Exo 40:2). And the Passover was kept in that same year, (Num 9:1-5). And there were certain men who were defiled by contact with the dead, (Num 9:6-7). And those men were clearly Mishael and Elzaphan whom Moshe commanded to carry their brethren Nadab and Abihu from before the Kodesh out of the camp, (Lev 10:4). Moshe then commands Ahron and his two sons that remain, Eleazar and Ithamar, "Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest you die, and lest wrath come upon all the people", (Lev 10:6). This is the exact same day in which Kaiaphas rent his clothes, (Mat 26:65, Mark 14:63) and disqualified himself from officiating the PASSOVER which was about to commence, (because the evening and the morning are the day).
 
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Ben Masada

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Lazy afternoon said:
Hi,

1 - Jesus is not now a Jew since His resurrection to being the express image of His Father.

2 - The Father of Jesus is not, nor ever was a Jew.

3 - Christians are told that at the return of Christ, they will be in the image of Christ.

4 - Christians will not become Jews at the resurrection.

5 - Though Christians may be true Jews inwardly now, (many who claim to be are not) the natural Jew according to race has no special claim on God any more than those of any peoples.

6 - and remember that Christians have children too and God cares for them more so than for the children of those who reject Jesus Christ.

LA
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1 - You might probably be right if you are taking about the "Christ" of Paul and not the Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph with Mary.

2 - That is exactly what I suspected, that you are not talking about Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph with Mary who were both Jews.

3 - Nothing is sweeter than illusion.

4 - Christians cannot become Jews without conversion to Judaism according to Isaiah 56:1-8.

5 - To be a Jew is not to belong to a different race. There is only one race; the human race.

6 - We don't reject Jesus as we accept him for what he really was; the son of Joseph with Mary. Christians are the ones who accept Jesus only according to the Hellenist gospel of Paul.
 
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Lazy afternoon

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Ben Masada said:
1 - You might probably be right if you are taking about the "Christ" of Paul and not the Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph with Mary.

2 - That is exactly what I suspected, that you are not talking about Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph with Mary who were both Jews.

3 - Nothing is sweeter than illusion.

4 - Christians cannot become Jews without conversion to Judaism according to Isaiah 56:1-8.

5 - To be a Jew is not to belong to a different race. There is only one race; the human race.

6 - We don't reject Jesus as we accept him for what he really was; the son of Joseph with Mary. Christians are the ones who accept Jesus only according to the Hellenist gospel of Paul.
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1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jn 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
 
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