Jesus is God !

keypurr

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Trump Gurl said:
I feel so bad for you. You typed all that stuff up and added pretty colors, and it is all gobbledygook. Go eat a turkey leg.

All of Christianity - Protestant, E. Orthodox, and Catholic - says you are wrong. Start your own religion.
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Spoken like a true Trumpster.
 
Nanja

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beloved57 said:
Again The scripture credits Jesus with being God Jn 1:1-3

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Now compare with Rom 1:20

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

None but the Eternal Godhead [Trinity] can be credited with the Things Made in Creation, and Christ, as the Eternal Logos , in His Divine Essence, is of that Godhead !

His same Power is active in the maintaining of the this Creation Heb 1:3

3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

That same word power is used in Rom 1:20. This proves His inclusion within the Essence of the Godhead that made all things Jn 1:3

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Those who Deny Jesus is God in light of scripture revelation, shall give in account in the Day of Judgment !
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Absolutely Brother, these unbelievers and liars that deny Jesus is God shall have their part in the second death, and all to the Glory of God Rev. 21:8 !

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death .
 
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beloved57 said:
Matt 19:16-26

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! Notice vs 17 As the young man had addressed Jesus as good, and Jesus responded accordingly, why callest thou me good, for none is good but ONE, that One Being God

Now , notice Jesus did not say, none is good but One and that is my Father, but He said that One, Being God !

Now if Jesus by this is not insinuating that He is God, then the alternative is that He was not good, seeing He just said only ONE, not Two, but ONLY ONE is good.

Now, if Jesus was not good, being that He was not the Only One Good God, then His commanding him, the young ruler, in order to be perfect, that he must go sell all his possessions, then give to the poor, and follow Him; Such an commandment exposed that the young man loved his possessions above God, which was a violation of the very first commandment, now if Jesus was not God, then the young mans refusal to obey and follow Jesus, could not be a proper standard to gauge his Love to God !

For there could not have been nothing amiss about not making such a great sacrifice as that Jesus told him, and then following Him if the One speaking was not the One God, who Only was good !
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John 8:57-58 The people said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?” Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!”

Jesus is the I AM

Jesus is God.

1. John 10:30 The Father and I are one.

2. Philippians 2:5-6 You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to.

3. John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.


Jesus claimed to be God.

6. John 10:33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

7. John 5:18 This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.


Jesus is the Word.

8. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

9. John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 
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OT

Isaiah 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

NT

Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.
 
beloved57

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Nanja said:
Absolutely Brother, these unbelievers and liars that deny Jesus is God shall have their part in the second death, and all to the Glory of God Rev. 21:8 !

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death .
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Amen Sister unless they finally turn out to be a elect vessel of Mercy and God grant them repentance from the captivity of the devil who hath deceived them.
 
beloved57

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Trump Gurl said:
It is not your place to damm people to hell. Your judging is just as bad as their unbelief.
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No she is aware that some possibly could be the elect, but it is more likely not. There's a time when their won't be any more conversions Rev 22 11

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
 
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beloved57 said:
No she is aware that some possibly could be the elect, but it is more likely not. . . . .
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I agree with you about Jesus being God but I do not agree with you on Calvinism and the "elect". Everybody has the same chance to go to heaven if they repent.
So, its possible that the deniers today could repent and believe tomorrow and that is why nobody should ever say that somebody is dammed.
 
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NWL said:
One thing I do not understand though is why you bother spewing bible verses on this thread if you are unwilling to discuss them. . . . .
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I play by my rules, not your rules.

In your world, people read a Bible and study it and try to figure out right and wrong doctrines and right and wrong interpretations. None of you agree and you live in a world of chaotic conflicting doctrines.

In my world, Jesus established His Church (Matt 16:18), he chose Apostles to lead it and to teach (Matt 28:16-20) he gave them the authority to Bind and Loose (Matt 16:19) and the authority to forgive sins (John 20:23). In my world, Christ's Church teaches and I am a disciple who learns and obeys. I do not need to figure things out. The Truth has been handed down to me after 2,000 years.

I am a disciple and so are you. I am not an a successor of the apostles with authority to bind and loose and neither are you.

If you want the Truth then READ THIS
 
beloved57

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I agree with you about Jesus being God but I do not agree with you on Calvinism and the "elect". Everybody has the same chance to go to heaven if they repent.
So, its possible that the deniers today could repent and believe tomorrow and that is why nobody should ever say that somebody is dammed.
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So you understand were we stand!
 
beloved57

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NWL said:
God does not take delight in the death of people, its sad that you suggest he will.

(Ezekiel 33:11) "..Tell them, ‘“As surely as I am alive,” declares the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, “I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that someone wicked changes his way and keeps living.."

(2 Peter 3:9) "..Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.."

Perhaps you should take some time away and learn who the God of the bible is, the one who you say is your God but bring down by claiming he takes glory in killing people he does not want dead.



Most unitarians do not deny Jesus is called G-god, this is what most trinitarians fail to realise when speaking to unitarian or JW's. There are numerous people in the scriptures referred to as God, Angels are called Gods (see Psalms 8:5 compared to Hebrews 2:7), Moses is called God (Exo 7:1), Men are called Gods (John10:34), Satan is even called God (2 Cor 4:4), there are many beings called G-gods. When the bible calls these ones G-gods its not using the term God in its fullest sense, rather its using the term in the secondary lesser sense. The bible expresses this same idea that there are many gods but only one God who is the Father, see the next verse for proof:

NIV 1 Cor 8:5,6: "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live."

Notice the above and what the verse states, there are "many gods" but still only "one God the Father", these is not my words but the bible words. Paul doesn't put Jesus in the category of the 'one God' but only highlights and puts the Father into this category as its only the Father who is the 'one God'. This begs the question, does Jesus being referred to G-god necessitate that he is the 'one God'? Well, does the fact Angels, Moses, men and even Satan are called G-god necessitate they are the 'one God', no! Rather it fits in perfectly with 1 Cor 8:5,6. Likewise, since it is clear that only the Father is called the 'one God' according to 1 Cor 8:5,6 Jesus is not the 'one God' and is rather called a G-god for similar reasons Angels, Moses and men are referred to as G-gods despite not being the 'one God'.
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That Ezekiel passage has to do with national Israel, nothing about salvation.
 
beloved57

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NWL said:
As I have said numerous times, show me a single one that you believe proves your position. It's not my duty to choose a verse on your behalf that support your doctrine.

The fact remains, I clearly showed you how sin and death are destroyed forever, which destroys your argument that sin is eternal, and also showed you how the glory that Jesus received is the same glory that he shares with certain followers and all you can say in reply is "You in the dark about the True God !". How was your response a worthy reply, it wasn't and you know it. You are unable to defend the things you believe in and can only assert you are correct hence the reason why you end up running away from a discussion with me every time we talk.
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