Its of Faith so to be of Grace

beloved57

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And in Christ, "all shall be made alive," no?

But they have to be "in Christ" before they are made alive!

For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. - 1 Corinthians 15:21-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians15:21-22&version=NKJV



AMEN!

But don't forget the rest of the passage!

Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous. - Romans 5:18-19 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans5:18-19&version=NKJV



Wrong. This is not taught in scripture.



"In Adam" just means "in the flesh." It's a figure of speech.



Wrong. This is not taught in scripture.



Which says nothing at all about them being able to RESPOND to God's calling.



Says nothing at all about them being able to RESPOND to God's calling.



Which just means they are separated from God, not "corpse-like dead unable to respond to God's calling."



AMEN!



Chapter verse!

Because it's NOT IN SCRIPTURE!




But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. - John 5:40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:40&version=NKJV
Sure all IN CHRIST shall be made alive, which is by the Grace of God, and dont forget, all men arent in Christ.
 

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beloved57

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You're still missing my point.

How does one get into Christ?

BY BELIEVING!



Which says nothing about those who are not in Christ being able to respond when the gospel is presented to them.

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You have yet to answer:
One Gets in Christ by Election before the foundation. Man cant believe his way into Christ just like he didnt believe himself into Adam. How do you think man became to be in Adam ?
 

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Man is dead spiritually to God, he died in Adam, in Adam all sinned and died Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

All men sinned in Adam before they were born

All men in Adam died, death was passed upon them. So babies in Adam who are men at their beginnings, have already in Adam sinned and died.

Men naturally dont come to God, seek God Rom 3:11 because they are dead in sin Rom 3:9

9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

Man is born dead to God and the only thing that will rectify that is to be born again, not naturally, but Spiritually.
You cannot show any example in the Bible of unsaved sinners being unable to hear or understand God before God saved them and you cannot show any examples in the Bible of God not telling sinners to do things that He supposedly knew they could not understand or do.
 

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One Gets in Christ by Election before the foundation.

WRONG!

One gets in Christ by BELIEVING!

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:9-15,17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:9-15,17&version=NKJV

Man cant believe his way into Christ

Straw man. I never said that.

Belief in Christ is not meritorious. It doesn't earn God's grace. But it IS REQUIRED by God for God to save someone. God does not save unbelievers. He saves believers, not as a result of their belief, but because He said He would save any who believe, and not doing so would be inconsistent with Himself.

just like he didn't believe himself into Adam.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

How do you think

What I think has nothing to do with it. What matters is what scripture says.

man became to be in Adam?

By being a descendant of Adam. What does that have to do with anything?

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You have yet to answer:

Man is born dead to God

Chapter verse!
 

beloved57

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WRONG!

One gets in Christ by BELIEVING!

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good things!”So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. - Romans 10:9-15,17 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:9-15,17&version=NKJV



Straw man. I never said that.

Belief in Christ is not meritorious. It doesn't earn God's grace. But it IS REQUIRED by God for God to save someone. God does not save unbelievers. He saves believers, not as a result of their belief, but because He said He would save any who believe, and not doing so would be inconsistent with Himself.



I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.



What I think has nothing to do with it. What matters is what scripture says.



By being a descendant of Adam. What does that have to do with anything?

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Thats right. One gets in Christ by Sovereign Election, its all by Him 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The chosen were placed in Christ before they had any physical existence, it was before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now you explain to me how someone believed into Christ before they existed, before the foundation of the world !
 

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Thats right. One gets in Christ by Sovereign Election,

WRONG.

It's by believing.

its all by Him

Yes, Salvation is all of God.

But believing is of man.

1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

The chosen were placed in Christ before they had any physical existence,

Wrong.

"The chosen" are just those who believe. It's not specific individuals, but rather ANYONE who believes.

God chose that those who are in Him should be holy and blameless before Him in love.

It wasn't choosing unto salvation or election. It was choosing those "In Him" to be holy and blameless.

As opposed to those "Not In Him."

it was before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Now you explain to me how someone believed into Christ before they existed, before the foundation of the world!

Straw man. I don't believe that.

YOU believe that people were elected before the foundation of the world, not me.

I believe that God chose "us in Him" to be holy and blameless, as per the verse you just quoted.

I don't believe God chose people that don't exist, but that He chose that whoever is "in Him" would be holy and blameless.
 
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