Its of Faith so to be of Grace

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Its a given that scripture says whosever believes hath eternal life Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:15

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

And of course this is so true. Yet how does a spiritually dead sinner change from being a unbeliever and hater of God naturally, into a Believer who begins to Love God, the True God ? The answer is by Sovereign Grace, they believe because of Grace Acts 18:27, they also believe because of Election Acts 13:48, even Election is of Grace Rom 11:5-6. A mans believing totally due to Gods Grace 1 Pet 1:21. Hasnt it been said that " No man can come to Jesus except it be given " Jn 6:65

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

The word given didōmi means to bestow as a gift ! This being the case, it goes without saying, nobody can believe in Jesus unless its given to them by Gods Gift of Grace. See Phil 1:29

Everyone who believes in Him shall have eternal life.

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Amen, and absolutely correct Brother: All Glory to God for His Sovereign Gift of Grace whereby His Election Acts 13:48
are Spiritually Enabled / Given to to Believe on Him, and Come to Christ in New Birth !

Nope. Sorry. It's not "whosoever believes already has eternal life," it's "shall have."

Believing THEN life.

As Christ says:

But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. - John 5:40 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John5:40&version=NKJV
 

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Its a given that scripture says whosever believes hath eternal life Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:15

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

And of course this is so true. Yet how does a spiritually dead sinner change from being a unbeliever and hater of God naturally, into a Believer who begins to Love God, the True God ? The answer is by Sovereign Grace, they believe because of Grace Acts 18:27, they also believe because of Election Acts 13:48, even Election is of Grace Rom 11:5-6. A mans believing totally due to Gods Grace 1 Pet 1:21. Hasnt it been said that " No man can come to Jesus except it be given " Jn 6:65

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

The word given didōmi means to bestow as a gift ! This being the case, it goes without saying, nobody can believe in Jesus unless its given to them by Gods Gift of Grace. See Phil 1:29

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled from the condition of deadness.
 

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Rom 4:16

16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,

Many will say that Faith/Believing isn't a work because they are contrasted with one another, e.g. Rom 4:5

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

So this seems to support the ideal that believing, a act that man does, isnt a work, but does it ? The fact is, there is a real contrast between believing and working, but its not because Faith/Believing isnt a work. The contrast is valid when we understand that believing, though an act/work man does, its not mans work, but Gods Work in us. Remember when Jesus said this Jn 6:29

Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

You see that ? Jesus answer to their question wasn't to their sentiments, however the reply He gave reveals a great truth, that the believing on the name of the Son of God, is Gods Work in us . Yes believing on the Son is Gods Work, not ours. Its only when we understand that the act of Believing it takes to believe on Christ for all Salvation, isnt our own work out of the flesh, our own human faith by nature, but that its an act we do because its totally empowered by the Grace of God, the Spirit of God, Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Then the contrast is valid !
Believing God is not a work. Repenting of sins is not work. Believing people are not elected according to works and yet are condemned because of works is an error. Election, whether in the case of the elect or in the case of the non-elect is not based upon works, but upon either accepting or rejecting the Word of God.
 

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No, it's not. It has nothing to do with what I said:

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled to Him.
If you would grasp that man is dead to God spiritually by nature, you would see the reasonableness. Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Why do you think man had to be made alive ?
 

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If you would grasp that man is dead to God spiritually by nature,

You're not even addressing the point of contention!!!

READ WHAT I SAID AGAIN!

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled to Him.
 

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If you would grasp that man is dead to God spiritually by nature, you would see the reasonableness. Eph 2:1,5

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

Why do you think man had to be made alive ?

So True Brother, Christ as Advocate and Intercessor for all His Elect unbelieving Transgressors He Died for, were Chosen In Him to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7. For His Advocacy does not depend on whether they are currently believers or not, because they have already been reconciled to God by Christ's Death Rom. 5:10, and Christ's Intercession on their behalf is before they believed Is. 53:12.

Secondly, we know unless and until a person is Born Again / made Spiritually Alive in New Birth John 3:3, his own work/action of believing on Christ is simply a work of the flesh which cannot please God:

Rom. 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But those who have been made Spiritual in New Birth,
they can and do please God.



Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 

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So True Brother, Christ as Advocate and Intercessor for all His Elect unbelieving Transgressors He Died for, were Chosen In Him to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7. For His Advocacy does not depend on whether they are currently believers or not, because they have already been reconciled to God by Christ's Death Rom. 5:10, and Christ's Intercession on their behalf is before they believed Is. 53:12.

Secondly, we know unless and until a person is Born Again / made Spiritually Alive in New Birth John 3:3, his own work/action of believing on Christ is simply a work of the flesh which cannot please God:

Rom. 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But those who have been made Spiritual in New Birth,
they can and do please God.



Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Another person who isn't reading what was said.
 

beloved57

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You're not even addressing the point of contention!!!

READ WHAT I SAID AGAIN!

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled to Him.
I read what you posted, doesnt amount to anything. Man is dead to God by nature, nothing changes that. A person must be born again to respond favorably to God Spiritually. Now once a person is born again, he can respond favorably to God
 

beloved57

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So True Brother, Christ as Advocate and Intercessor for all His Elect unbelieving Transgressors He Died for, were Chosen In Him to have remission of sins Eph. 1:4-7. For His Advocacy does not depend on whether they are currently believers or not, because they have already been reconciled to God by Christ's Death Rom. 5:10, and Christ's Intercession on their behalf is before they believed Is. 53:12.

Secondly, we know unless and until a person is Born Again / made Spiritually Alive in New Birth John 3:3, his own work/action of believing on Christ is simply a work of the flesh which cannot please God:

Rom. 8:8
So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But those who have been made Spiritual in New Birth,
they can and do please God.



Rom. 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
You nailed it my Sister, may God continue to Bless your understanding of these sacred matters.
 

beloved57

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Man is under the delusion that Gods Grace only makes Salvation possible, not understanding that Grace actually brings Salvation as the Gift of God Titus 2:11

11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

The word bring denotes to bring about , to accomplish, to cause Salvation. See Grace is God energetically saving His People from their sins Matt 1:21.

Gods Grace isnt something offered to man that man can appropriate to himself to get saved, but its that by which man is saved Eph 2:5,8 !
 

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I read what you posted, doesnt amount to anything. Man is dead to God by nature, nothing changes that. A person must be born again to respond favorably to God Spiritually. Now once a person is born again, he can respond favorably to God

You're still not addressing the point of contention:

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled to Him.
 

marke

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We are saved by Grace through Faith, that is Grace is accompanied with the Gift of Faith or Believing, and the converted person will understand and believe they have been saved by Gods Grace alone !
God has sent disciples into all the world to preach the Gospel to every creature so that whosoever believeth in Jesus will be saved. Our message as missionaries has always been "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
 

beloved57

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You're still not addressing the point of contention:

The Bible never once ever teaches that we are born in a condition by which we cannot respond positively to God's own appeals to be reconciled to Him.
Man has to have life to respond spiritually otherwise he's dead.
 

marke

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Man has to have life to respond spiritually otherwise he's dead.
God gives life to those who meet the conditions, but He resisteth the proud no matter what humans think to the contrary. That is why humans are told "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God and He will lift you up."
 
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