It sings a song of pain and death.
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But this doesn't constitute abuse.
Yes they do. That's why they go to such lengths to hide it.
I see. You're wrong. Using violence and humiliation unjustly is called abuse. If it is used justly, then it is either punishment or training.
That is why kids that are properly spanked are happy, respectful, and well adjusted.
Well that's good. But you send conflicting signals when you say that any violence and humiliation is abuse. Spanking is both violent and humiliating.
So your friend was abused at home, but not spanked? And if he had been spanked only, then you would also say he was not abused, right?
Also, I'm still curious; what kind of negative feed back do you think is okay for it to be considered training and not abuse?
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One Eyed Jack
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granite1010 said:
Plastic hairbrushes hurt pretty bad too, if you get conked a good one on top of the head. Of course it didn't kill me, but I was pretty disoriented for the rest of the day -- so much so that I was sent home from school.
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PureX
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I think the story points out how complex things have become these days. The teacher was not allowed to discipline the child because of the fear of law suits, and because some teachers in the past have abused their "right" to use physical violence as a method of discipline. The police used the minimum of force that they have available to them, but they're not really suited for dealing with small children who act out in this way. They did the best they could under the circumstances. The parent was probably at work, as most parents now days have to work, and as most of us now commute longer distances to work, too, couldn't be there quickly. So the bottom line is that we have no immediate resource to call on when a child has such a problem at school.Shimei said:
The world becomes more and more complex. And the knee-jerk reaction is often to over-simplify our perception of reality to make it easy for us to understand and deal with, again. Sometimes that works, but often it does not. Ignoring the complex specifics of a given situation doesn't make them go away. It just makes us less effectual in dealing with them even if it allows us to pretend we were effective.
Hopefully the child in that story will eventually get the help she needs - be it a spanking, or psychological help, or even medication. The bottom line, though, is that we don't know what she needs, and neither did the teacher or the police at the time, so they did the best they could under the circumstances.
I don't think that's anything for them to be ashamed of. And I don't think that's anything for anyone else to be ashamed of, either. We have to do what we can with the condition that we find ourselves in.
PureX
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I think it's really odd that you would be so in favor of using physical violence on a child, rather than the "scared strait" method of having the police put hand cufs on her and "arrest" her. Seems to me that if there's a non-violent way of teaching her that there are consequences for her misbehavior, that would be all the better, woudn't it?Nineveh said:
JoyfulRook
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I saw that. What a brat. A couple spankings would have solved that. The police have better thing to do (like pulling over dads who are late for their child's soccer game and are 15 miles over the speed limitShimei said:
) than to handcuff a 5 year old. Very pathetic. :nono:
JoyfulRook
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Yeah that'll solve the problem. Put her on some ritalin and some psychotropic dope.PureX said:
The Parents should be ashamed for at least three reasons:
1. They're kid is a brat and they obviously haven't been very good parents.
2. They're kid was arrested at 5 years old.
3. There was a video tape of it that was shown on Fox News.
The Policemen/women should be ashamed for at least 3 reasons:
1. They arrested a 5 year old for throwing a temper tantrum.
2. Their station had to give the excuse that they are new recruits.
3. There was a video tape of it that was shown on Fox News.
The Teacher should be ashamed for at lest 3 reasons:
1. A little 5 year old girl was being aggressive and she couldn't defend herself.
2. She is the brat's teacher.
3. There was a video tape of it that was shown on Fox News.
The Videographer should be ashmed because:
1. A little 5 year old girl was throwing a temper tantrum (eg. screaming, jumping on table, hitting teacher, flagrantly disobeying) and all the videographer could do was tape.
2. The videographer's video tape was shown on Fox News.
I think there should be some shame for all of those involved.
PureX
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You must have been there, as you seem to know exactly what happened and exactly who's at fault, an all. So why didn't YOU fix everything with some good old fashioned violence? Maybe you could have beat the teacher after you got done beating some sense into that little brat. Maybe you could have beat the cops butts a little, too, just to show those sissies how a real man takes care of these things. And don't forget the mom, you'd have to give her a good beating for letting her kid be such a brat to start with. Then I guess you'll have to come teach me a lesson, too, for daring to point out that violence isn't always the best solution. Looks like you got your work cut out for you, huh.Dread Helm said:
JoyfulRook
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Do you really agree with his post?
JoyfulRook
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Or were you joking?
ShadowMaid
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I think the point Dad is trying to make is that yes, we should use a paddle on the mother, teacher, etc. etc.