ClimateSanity
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Impose sanctions!!!! Possibly war!
Is Russia our foe?
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ClimateSanity
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Why do we have 17 intelligence agencies?
ok doser
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ClimateSanity
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If that's what it takes? Takes to do what exactly??? Protect democracy? Our democracy has faced worse attacks from it's own government. These so called attacks pale in comparison.
Preventing the annihilation of homo sapiens through not responding to a gnat is actually a very good idea.
If you consider Canada a hostile power, and Putin our friend, I guess that's your case. Here's the problem; you can't impeach Hillary Clinton.
Trump just discovered Harry's law:
Trump's strategy?
"Whhaaa! It's not fair! Hillary! Benghazi! Obama is a Muslim! Whaaa!"
Not a very good defense, is it?
ok doser
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i don't, but if rex is consistent, he will
i don't
that's 0 for 2
little bammy was raised a muslim, by his muslim step-father, in muslim schools, in one the biggest majority muslim countries in the world
ClimateSanity
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If you consider Canada a hostile power, and Putin our friend, I guess that's your case. Here's the problem; you can't impeach Hillary Clinton.
Trump just discovered Harry's law:
Trump's strategy?
"Whhaaa! It's not fair! Hillary! Benghazi! Obama is a Muslim! Whaaa!"
Not a very good defense, is it?
One is just as much a threat to democracy as the other....if you follow rex's thinking.
Barbarian observes:
Trump just discovered Harry's law:
Trump's strategy?
"Whhaaa! It's not fair! Hillary! Benghazi! Obama is a Muslim! Whaaa!"
Not a very good defense, is it?
Canadian citizens openly praising an American is as great a threat to our democracy as Putin's hackers secretly trying to rig the election?
Don't think so.
Trump just discovered Harry's law:
Trump's strategy?
"Whhaaa! It's not fair! Hillary! Benghazi! Obama is a Muslim! Whaaa!"
Not a very good defense, is it?
Canadian citizens openly praising an American is as great a threat to our democracy as Putin's hackers secretly trying to rig the election?
Don't think so.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
you're not really following along, are you?
poor gramps, clueless as ever
oh well, maybe you'll turn red again real soon
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Yes.
Even if true, that doesn't make Putin's actions ok, or Trump's. So...what's your point?
Are you saying you think that if we don't let the Russians mess with our elections, they might launch nuclear weapons?
ok doser
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how do we declare war on the nation of Russia without running the risk of it going nuclear?
and are you planning on doing this while trump's in office?
and what exactly do you think will be the response of our western and central european friends?
merkel, for example - what do you think her response might be?
or duda? or Sipilä?
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Trump spent the weekend deliberately trashing Americas NATO allies, only to spend Monday embracng Putin like a long lost friend!
Russia has invaded parts of the Ukraine, poisoned Soviet defectors in the UK, bombed innocent civilians in Syria, murdered dissidents in its own country and attempted to subvert the elections of a number of nations!
Russia doesn't have any friends nor can it afford to match NATO and America in military spending - the longer it remains isolated subject to sanctions, the farther it falls behind economically and militarily!
ok doser
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i'll bet you were one of the mean girls in junior high
You rely on the same thing we rely on every day: Putin doesn't want to die any more than we do.
It's a hypothetical. And as I've pointed out, it shouldn't be the first step, but it should be on the table, in the event that our president weren't a traitor.
It depends. Would we invoked article 5 of the NATO charter?
The question is obvious:
"If Trump was trying to undermine America and our allies, and to help Russia, what would he be doing differently?"
"If Trump was trying to undermine America and our allies, and to help Russia, what would he be doing differently?"
I think they tried to do it, but will not wish to get into this again. The USA has too many voices, all in degrees of disagreement. Russia is used to a much more simple social system; I think now they are sorry they ever did it, since the US has been harping on the going on two year now.
I bet Trump did tell Putin to not do it and I bet Putin said he did not imagine how big an issue it would become in the USA.
We have to stop thinking along the lines of party politics. Trump has done some things Democrats would be more traditionally inclined to do, which was their fear is the Johnson Goldwater election were the liberals feared Goldwater would threaten war with Russia
We need to look at each issue, the trade tariff is a terrible idea, so is the degree of border control and building a wall.
Regardless of party I think open free trade and staying out of other countries wars would be the best plan for now. Conserve spending and try to promote free trade, with no payout deals.
We should stop punishing Mexico just because they are able to offer cheaper labour.
We need to befriend Russia and accept they are different and have flaws, then encourage them to produce more oil and try to energize their economy.
Russia is very large but most of it is a frozen wasteland. If they got their economics together, they would and should had the GDP equal to Germany.
ok doser
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so where would we put troops?
and why wouldn't putin use battlefield nukes when they crossed into russia?
and how would we respond to battlefield nukes?
on what basis? ukraine? crimea?
look at a map and tell me who has the home team advantage in that war
lifeisgood
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I believe it goes something like this 'if you do not want somebody to trample on your elections, don't trample on somebody else's elections'; otherwise, you do not have the high moral ground to complain 'cause you doing same thing....
Foxfire
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If you're talking about moral high ground, that went out the window with the election.
POTUS is constitutionally bound to defend the US against ALL enemies FOREIGN or Domestic. Failure to do so is dereliction of duty.
PERIOD
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