Is gender identification changable?

shagster01 · May 15, 2016

ok doser said:
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You can't just declare to be a doughnut either.

Though democrats probably think you can...

Nick M · May 15, 2016

shagster01 said:
That was my point.

Good. There is still hope for you. That is serious, I'm not trying to be condescending.

rexlunae · May 15, 2016

shagster01 said:
Citizenship isn't declared on a whim.

True. Neither is gender, by the way.

shagster01 said:
You can't just decide you are Canadian today and expect to get Canadian rights.

I dunno. I'm feeling pretty Canadian at the moment. It's probably the Newfoundland air, or something.

shagster01 said:
Or are you suggesting there should be lengthy paperwork and test processes to change gender like citizenship?

If you want the change to be legal and permanent, there are. But there are gender fluid people for whom that doesn't really work very well, which generally means that they have a given legal gender, which may differ from their expression at any given moment.

ok doser · May 15, 2016

rexlunae said:
I dunno. I'm feeling pretty Canadian at the moment. It's probably the Newfoundland air, or something.

surely not that place just south of New Harbour? :chuckle:

if you happen across rex murphy, say hi from me

rexlunae · May 15, 2016

ok doser said:
surely not that place just south of New Harbour? :chuckle:

Na, I'm well east of there. I'm right by the furthest East part of the Island, St. John's Bay.

ok doser said:
if you happen across rex murphy, say hi from me

I'm not sure who that is, but sure. :chuckle:

ok doser · May 15, 2016

sposed to be a great view from signal hill

when it's not foggy

rexlunae · May 15, 2016

ok doser said:
sposed to be a great view from signal hill

when it's not foggy

I just got here, but I'm hoping to do a little bit of exploring today. In my very limited experience though, it's usually foggy.

annabenedetti · May 18, 2016

Nick M said:
The Y chromosome is the give away that the person is male.

"In fact, there’s a whole lot more to maleness and femaleness than X or Y chromosomes.

About 1 in 20,000 men has no Y chromosome, instead having 2 Xs. This means that in the United States there are about 7,500 men without a Y chromosome. The equivalent situation - females who have XY instead of XX chromosomes - can occur for a variety of reasons and overall is similar in frequency."

Desert Reign · May 18, 2016

Rusha said:
There is no way anyone else outside of the person who is having the change *could* know. Because not everyone understands or relates to what the person in question is dealing with or going through doesn't mean their experience is any less real.

That is an excellent point. Sex identification is utterly personal.
That is exactly why society must ignore it. Because it has no choice whatsoever in the matter. Society cannot agree or disagree with the person as it has no way of verifying. It can only deal with provable, testable, evidenced claims. And as such, society can only look at the birth certificate or chromosomal evidence.
If it is truly a personal decision then it can't have any bearing on external matters such as which toilets one is allowed to enter. If, as you say, it is truly personal, interior, then why would the person making such identification want it to have any repercussions on others or society in general? If on the other hand, you really want to have a relevance to society then it is no longer truly personal.

eider · May 18, 2016

shagster01 said:
This is a question for people who buy into the idea that one gets to decide one's own gender identification.

Is it possible for a person to identify as a woman, go through life changes and realize she is now a man, and later on go back to being a woman again. Or are you supposed to pick an identity and roll with it?

In other words, if Bruce became Caitlyn, and Caitlyn later decides to be Bruce again, did this person actually keep changing genders, or was Bruce just a confused man all along?

Again, this question is for people who actually believe gender identification and biology are indeed seperate.

I don't think that folks decide about their gender identity, rather they become submerged into it and have to accept it.
And most transgenders and transexuals do not revert back.

Do you think about all this a lot?

Nick M · May 18, 2016

Leave to a whoremonger for evil to try and use a defect as an excuse for behavior. Go to hell.

eider · May 18, 2016

Nick M said:
Leave to a whoremonger for evil to try and use a defect as an excuse for behavior. Go to hell.

Have you ever wondered about your own sexuality?
Is this possibly why you are in such red-heat over these subjects?
Could you be in denial, possibly?

It's OK.... you can talk to us......

Arthur Brain · May 18, 2016

shagster01 said:
You can't just declare to be a doughnut either.

Though democrats probably think you can...

I think people like SOD & Nick inadvertently declare that anyway...

Arthur Brain · May 18, 2016

Crucible said:

Oh goody. A quote from Phil "Get em when they're 15" Robertson. What a surprise that you'd venerate this crank...

:freak:

intojoy · May 18, 2016

annabenedetti said:
"In fact, there’s a whole lot more to maleness and femaleness than X or Y chromosomes.

About 1 in 20,000 men has no Y chromosome, instead having 2 Xs. This means that in the United States there are about 7,500 men without a Y chromosome. The equivalent situation - females who have XY instead of XX chromosomes - can occur for a variety of reasons and overall is similar in frequency."

Lol too bad

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intojoy · May 18, 2016

eider said:
Have you ever wondered about your own sexuality?
Is this possibly why you are in such red-heat over these subjects?
Could you be in denial, possibly?

It's OK.... you can talk to us......

Sex is awesome! Best way to say I love you to your spouse (heterosexual). Other ways you're just sticking it to someone's behind.

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Arthur Brain · May 18, 2016

Funny how some of the more graphic descriptors of sexual acts emanate from apparently conservative Christians on here...

:freak:

intojoy · May 19, 2016

Arthur Brain said:
Funny how some of the more graphic descriptors of sexual acts emanate from apparently conservative Christians on here...

:freak:

Sex gets a bad rap from religion, gets a bad rap from pornography.

Truthfully, sex is the gift of God to man to be enjoyed in marriage (heterosexual).

The word sex does not appear in the bible. The word Eros is not used in the bible.

There are words for adultery and homo lovin and sexual sins but God chose not to use the word sex.

Wait for it... Because it's love - Ahavah that is used to describe the love act. It's not my fault you're not getting any Bain.

Come on man! Man up.

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Rationality · May 19, 2016

glassjester said:
It's a good question.

Going with the Bruce Jenner example, if he "switches back," does that mean...

A) He was wrong about being a woman, and was actually a man all along?
B) He is wrong to switch back, and is actually still a woman?
C) He truly changed from a man to a woman to a man, but it wasn't a choice?
D) He truly changed from a man to a woman to a man, and he was free to choose each time?

You forgot E) He changed from a man to a woman and back to a man and it was NOT his choice. If you can have C, then you should also have this.

Feel like this is worth putting up

glassjester · May 19, 2016

Rationality said:
You forgot E) He changed from a man to a woman and back to a man and it was NOT his choice. If you can have C, then you should also have this.

Feel like this is worth putting up

Isn't that exactly what choice C says?

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