Is Calvinism Wrong?

[Grosnick Marowbe]

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[Clete]

I thought that you was never going to ask.

God's work for us in Jesus Christ is that work that Jesus did for the salvation of fallen man.

God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to God's Holy Law.

2. A perfect atonement for the sins of fallen man and for the sins of the whole world.

Jesus, as fallen man's representative has met all of the requirements for the salvation of fallen man.

Proof of this is that God has welcomed Jesus back into heaven and has made him both Lord and Christ, Acts 2:36. When God accepted Jesus into heaven we were accepted in him.

The law has been fulfilled and abolished, Matthew 5:18 also Ephesians 2:15. All sin has been atoned for, 2 Corinthians 5:21.

God now sees ALL THINGS in his Son Jesus Christ. All that have faith in the work of Christ are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

So then where was any of that preached by Jesus or the Twelve in the gospels? ANY OF IT?

We know for a fact that the Apostles didn't believe that Jesus was going to die at all, never mind be resurrected from the dead and even after He arose there were those (we know of at least one) who refused to believe it until they'd seen it with their own two eyes!

There is nothing in the gospels that suggest in the slightest that Jesus and the Twelve were preaching anything at all like what you just stated and yet they were going about "preaching the gospel".

Are you now prepared to abondon your claim that, "To use the word "Gospel" for any other reason than to describe God's work for us in Jesus Christ is heresy."?

Are Jesus and the Twelve guilty of heresy or it is that they were preaching different gospel?

Clete

 

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[Robert Pate]

Robert,
I thought that you believed that there was ever only ONE Gospel, as you vehemently argued in many other threads, and that the only difference between them was the degree of understanding?

There is only one Gospel that saves. The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the King has arrived.

 

[Robert Pate]

So then where was any of that preached by Jesus or the Twelve in the gospels? ANY OF IT?

We know for a fact that the Apostles didn't believe that Jesus was going to die at all, never mind be resurrected from the dead and even after He arose there were those (we know of at least one) who refused to believe it until they'd seen it with their own two eyes!

There is nothing in the gospels that suggest in the slightest that Jesus and the Twelve were preaching anything at all like what you just stated and yet they were going about "preaching the gospel".

Are you now prepared to abondon your claim that, "To use the word "Gospel" for any other reason than to describe God's work for us in Jesus Christ is heresy."?

Are Jesus and the Twelve guilty of heresy or it is that they were preaching different gospel?

Clete

Jesus did not preach the grace Gospel, he left that up to the apostles. Jesus was a teacher of the law. The purpose of the law is to reveal the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man. It was a prelude as to what was going to be taught by the apostles.

The apostles had no idea of what Jesus had accomplished until the day of Pentecost, Acts chapter 2. Paul received the full Gospel or how the Gospel justifies, in Galatians 1:11,12.

The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the King has arrived. The grace Gospel is the good news that salvation has been provided for fallen man. They are entirely separate Gospels and are not related.

 

[fishrovmen]

Paul received the full Gospel or how the Gospel justifies, in Galatians 1:11,12.

So what you seem to be saying is that Paul had a fuller, more complete Gospel than what Peter preached?

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus did not preach the grace Gospel, he left that up to the apostles.

Please provide scriptural support for this.

Jesus was a teacher of the law.

And He told the twelve to teach the same (Matt 23:1-2 with Matt 28:20)

The purpose of the law is to reveal the righteousness of God and the sinfulness of man. It was a prelude as to what was going to be taught by the apostles.

Scripture please.

The apostles had no idea of what Jesus had accomplished until the day of Pentecost, Acts chapter 2. Paul received the full Gospel or how the Gospel justifies, in Galatians 1:11,12.

So the twelve did not receive this?

The Kingdom Gospel is the good news that the King has arrived. The grace Gospel is the good news that salvation has been provided for fallen man. They are entirely separate Gospels and are not related.

So now you freely admit that there is more then one gospel?

 

[Robert Pate]

Please provide scriptural support for this.


And He told the twelve to teach the same (Matt 23:1-2 with Matt 28:20)


Scripture please.


So the twelve did not receive this?


So now you freely admit that there is more then one gospel?

I never said that there is only one Gospel. There is only one Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Calvinist Gospel and the Catholic Gospel are false Gospels, nor can they justify.

Romans 3:19, 20 tell us that righteousness does not come by the law.

 

[Right Divider]

More than one Gospel???

Paul said to the Galatians, "I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another Gospel, which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the Gospel of Christ. But though we or and angel from heaven, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:6-8.

There is only one Gospel, it is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

I never said that there is only one Gospel. There is only one Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Calvinist Gospel and the Catholic Gospel are false Gospels, nor can they justify.

Romans 3:19, 20 tell us that righteousness does not come by the law.

Perhaps you should go revise all of your previous posts where you forcefully claimed that there is only one gospel.

 

[john w]

If you use the word "Gospel" to mean any other thing than the salvation of fallen man. you are doing the word of God a terrible injustice.

So, devil Pate assert that his saint Judas preached, "Christ died for your sins...was buried...raised again...Believe this to be saved"-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV


On record=satanic.

 

[Robert Pate]

Perhaps you should go revise all of your previous posts where you forcefully claimed that there is only one gospel.

What I meant and have always meant is that there is only one Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

If you are so stupid as to believe that the Kingdom Gospel saves and justifies, then you are beyond hope.

 

[john w]

I never said that there is only one Gospel. There is only one Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

The Calvinist Gospel and the Catholic Gospel are false Gospels, nor can they justify.

Romans 3:19, 20 tell us that righteousness does not come by the law.

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More than one Gospel???

Paul said to the Galatians, "I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another Gospel, which is not another; but there be some that trouble you and would pervert the Gospel of Christ. But though we or and angel from heaven, PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Galatians 1:6-8.

There is only one Gospel, it is the Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

 

[john w]

What I meant and have always meant is that there is only one Gospel that justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18,19.

If you are so stupid as to believe that the Kingdom Gospel saves and justifies, then you are beyond hope.

But you did not say that. That is your MO on TOL-carelessnes, in what you say, making up things on the fly.

 

[Robert Pate]

So, devil Pate assert that his saint Judas preached, "Christ died for your sins...was buried...raised again...Believe this to be saved"-1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV


On record=satanic.

We are saved and justified by faith alone, Romans 10:8-10.

 

[Robert Pate]

But you did not say that. That is your MO on TOL-carelessnes, in what you say, making up things on the fly.

HOGWASH!

 

[Robert Pate]

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Sooooo.