beloved57
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You still deny that Christ death saved them He died for.
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Is Calvinism Anti-Gospel, Anti-Christ?
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Nanja
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Christ died for the World of His Sheep John 10:11,15.
But the cursed goats will be sent to the lake of fire, the second death Rev. 21:8.
Mat. 25:31-34, 41, 46
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left Mat. 13:38-39 .
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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You will never see heaven.
You dishonor God's Son. "Jesus is Lord" he is Lord because he has victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil, Colossians 2:15. Christ's victory is our victory. Because of the doing and the dying of Jesus we stand complete in him, Colossians 2:10. No one needs to be predestinated. Jesus has provided salvation for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. This salvation is available to... "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13. You reject the Gospel and want to be saved some other way than by the doing and the dying of Jesus. There is no other way.
beloved57
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You dishonor Christ, teaching that sinners He died for wind up in hell.
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You are going to wind up in hell, because you do not believe in the one whom God has sent.
beloved57
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You believe that Christ death alone failed to save them He died for.
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You= :kookoo:
You're a "Hyper-Calvinist which means you don't KNOW what you're talking about. Pretty close to a "Religious Moron" like your brother, B57.
So, the "commentary" you have chosen is the REAL truth and the HISTORY about Calvin is FALSE? Is that what you're trying to sell us? Well, I'm not buying it.
The book of John was written to the House of Israel, not to the Gentiles. Learn to "Rightly Divide" the word." Also, do a more "In-depth study" about the history of John Calvin before continuing to defend him.
TB, to defend John Calvin and at the same time state that you're not a Calvinist is a bit of a "Paradox" don't ya think?
Be honest. Calvinists believe one must first be "regenerated" before they receive "saving faith." That's what your fellow Calvinist, Nang preaches.
Calvinism is one of the "Greatest" counterfeit false doctrines/gospels that's been perpetrated on the world, to date.
Calvinists worship a "man created god and gospel." The only true Gospel is the "Grace Gospel" that was given to the Apostle Paul by the "Ascended Lord Jesus Christ." Calvinism is "Another gospel" that the Bible warns us about.
Posters like B57 and Nanja are, obviously demented extremists (hyper-Calvinists) that no one in their right mind listens to. It's the Calvinists that are more subtle that cause the most damage and confusion to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
You sure repeat yourself a lot Polly. Have another cracker and be quiet for awhile.
nikolai_42
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Yes, but remember that that all happens in a moment of time. It's akin to the breathing in of air. To receive the air into your lungs, there must first be a muscular action that creates a vacuum in the lungs. Then (and only then) does the air enter your lungs. But the air enters as a part of that whole process.
The Reformed idea of salvation is to be grounded in the will of God. The non-Reformed idea of salvation is to be grounded in the will of man. At that point, the debates start. Since I believe that a man cannot and will not hear unless God reveals Himself to that man, I believe that there has to be that work in the man before real faith can take root. I believe that's what scripture bears out. And that is what is held to on the Reformed side of things. But again, to take that and separate all those parts of salvation out into things that happen distinctly before our eyes is to misrepresent the Reformed understanding of salvation.
TweetyBird
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I do not know where the myth started about Calvin causing the death of Servetus. Probably the same way the myths started about Constantine. I see a lot of similarities. This happens when people start a hate campaign based on lies. Like Hitler who did the same thing. I think he is attributed to this or similar: tell a lie often enough and people believe it as truth. Just saying - we need to be careful about what we believe about people and do some real research when disparaging myths start flying around.
You have made a GIGANTIC assumption that the history about Calvin is erroneous. Which makes me believe that you're, in truth, a Calvinist sympathizer at least.
TweetyBird
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No, I pretty much will defend those that I feel are getting a raw deal. There are other historical figures that have been under the same kinds of attacks - those that intrigue me. I am familiar with Calvin, living in an area of many Calvinistic churches and looking at their theological writings. It surprises me that there is so much animosity here against him. I think it is falsely proclaimed, to be honest, and not understanding the church government and policies back then. It was a lot harsher and judgment was meted out without much compassion. But then, that is the middle ages for you. Just look at the fierce blood shedding in England between Christians and Catholics for centuries. I am not defending the right of the "church" to murder and behead and torture people, but that is the history of the church and that of the crusades. To single out Calvin who was part of "normal" church practice at that time is a bit hypercritical in my opinion.