If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

eider

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Same sex relationships is perversion.

Why do people have to have sexual relations with their same kind?

Fortunately for such folks in Western civilizations our laws have decided that same-sex relationships are about love and not perversion. Now if you think otherwise then that is fine..... everybody has freedom of mind, as lonmg as you don't try to interfere with any relationships then... no problem.

But if you were to interfere in marriages or civil-partnerships the modern laws would judge you as the sinner. Do you see?
 

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Fortunately for such folks in Western civilizations our laws have decided that same-sex relationships are about love and not perversion.
It is perversion. Go look up in the dictionary what perversion means.
Now if you think otherwise then that is fine..... everybody has freedom of mind, as lonmg as you don't try to interfere with any relationships then... no problem.

Stop trying to get a cake made for you with two men on it, or have the Government marry you, or pastors marry you. Stop trying to adopt children.

But if you were to interfere in marriages or civil-partnerships the modern laws would judge you as the sinner. Do you see?

Stop going against people for keeping the Government law to that of God's law.
 

Derf

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If that's the case, then you would need help.
And to think that homosexuality and transexuality is linked to the above is just weird.
so you agree there is a limit to how for perversion should be allowed to proceed. But why is your line in the sand the correct one?
Speak for yourself.
Don't include me in worries about yourself. There's no 'our' there.
then you think you can never have a perverted thought? That is likely only true if you make all the rules--if you are the standard by which everyone else is judged.

But that would make YOU God .
 

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Despite the desire of many here to believe otherwise, sex is not necessarily binary. But it would take, oh, perhaps a visit to a local college or university to investigate that and it is so much easier to just post on the internet
 

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The LGBTQ community hates Christians because we say they are sinners who are hell bound.
They don't want to hear that God disproves of them. However, it is just the way it is, no matter how kind we are to them, they know we think they are disobedient and hell bound.
There are also Christians who change the word of God to say the LGBTQ are doing nothing wrong and do not have to change. The Word of God is changed for them instead. All Christians are supposed to change for God, not the other way around.
Christianity is in danger in America and other places, because they cannot practice their true beliefs without fear of condemnation by the Government and by society.
The baker has to make them a wedding cake; the pastor has to marry them; the adoption agency has to give them children; and those Christians who stay true to God and say they are wrong are outcasts by the faith alone Christians.
Many of the views that were once held as fundamental Christian teachings during one period in history have virtually disappeared during another.

Early Christians were primarily Hebrew who believed that, as the Messiah, Jesus was the fulfillment the Old Testament prophesy, and that Christianity was not a new religion but the continuation of their Jewish faith!

A major controversy in the early Christian Church was that Hebrew tradition forbid Jews from associating with Gentiles, and that Gentiles males had to literally become Jews, though "circumcision," before they could become Christians!

Needless to say adult circumcision was a major deterrent to becoming a Christian, coupled with the fact that ancient Greek culture, which had spread throughout much of the eastern Mediterranean, focused on the intrinsic beauty of the human body and viewed the act of "circumcision" as an abomination!
 

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Early Christians were primarily Hebrew who believed that Christianity was a branch of the Jewish faith!

A major controversy in the early Christian Church was that Hebrew tradition forbid Jews from associating with Christians and that Gentiles males could not become "Believers" until they were "circumcised!"

Needless to say adult circumcision was a major deterrent to becoming a Christian, coupled with the face that ancient Greek culture which had spread throughout much of the eastern Mediterranean, focused on the intrinsic beauty of the human body and viewed the act of "circumcision" as an abomination!

The Jewish Christians with knowledge knew that it is no more about circumcision of the flesh.
 

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Role in Pauline Christianity

Judaising Gentiles and God-fearers are considered by modern scholars to be of significant importance to the growth of early Christianity;[ they represented a group of Gentiles who shared religious ideas and practices with Jews, to one degree or another. However, the God-fearers were only "partial" converts, engaged in certain Jewish rites and traditions without taking a step further to actual conversion to Judaism, which would have required full adherence to the 613 Mitzvot, including various prohibitions (kashrut, circumcision, Shabbat observance etc.) that were generally unattractive to would-be Gentile (largely Greek) converts. The rite of circumcision was especially unappealing and execrable in Classical civilization because it was the custom to spend an hour a day or so exercising nude in the gymnasium and in Roman baths, therefore Jewish men did not want to be seen in public deprived of their foreskins. Hellenistic and Roman culture both found circumcision to be cruel and repulsive.

The Apostle Paul in his letters fiercely criticized the Judaizers that demanded circumcision for Gentile converts, and opposed them; he stressed instead that faith in Christ constituted a New Covenant with God,[a covenant which essentially provides the justification and salvation for Gentiles from the harsh edicts of the Mosaic Law, a New Covenant that didn't require circumcision (see also Justification by faith, Pauline passages supporting antinomianism, Abrogation of Old Covenant laws). Lydia of Thyatira, who became Paul's first convert in Europe, is described as "a worshipper of God" (Acts 16:14); the Roman soldier Cornelius and the Ethiopian eunuch are also considered by modern scholars as God-fearers.

In Paul's message of salvation through faith in Christ as opposed to submission under the Mosaic Law, many God-fearers found an essentially Jewish group to which they could belong without the necessity of their accepting Jewish Law. Aside from earning Paul's group a wide following, this view was generalized in the eventual conclusion that converts to Christianity need not first accept all Jewish Law (see Apostolic Decree), a fact indispensable to the spread of the early Christians which would eventually lead to the distinction between Judaism and Christianity as two separate religions.


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In his writings, Paul is particularly critical of the "Judaizers" early Jewish Christians who taught that Gentiles must convert to Mosaic Law, which included "circumcision," before one could convert to Christianity!

Paul, who taught the Christian new covenant of salvation through faith, was viewed with deep suspicion by the Jerusalem Church, and documents the incident whereby it even had sent out "Judaizers" to ensure that Apostle Peter was following the correct teaching that Gentiles must convert to Mosaic Law!

Gentiles who believed Christ's teaching, but were not committed to observing the Mosaic Laws, were referred to as "God-fears" - partial Christians!
 
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eider

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Gentiles who believed Christ's teaching, but were not committed to observing the Mosaic Laws, were referred to as "God-fears" - partial Christians!

Well..... a few members sure do quote the Mosaic Laws around here, just as it suits them. And then they discard others. .
 

eider

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Stop trying to get a cake made for you with two men on it, or have the Government marry you, or pastors marry you. Stop trying to adopt children.
Any cake made for me would have my beautiful wife upon it.
And the Government DID marry me to my wife.
And we chose freely who would marry us.
And we did not need to adopt children.

But your prejudice drove you to the above sentrence, methinks.


Stop going against people for keeping the Government law to that of God's law.

Errr???? I support people who keep the Government's laws!!!. You want to be more careful with your sentence layouts.
 

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If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

Less than 2 centuries ago, the American Civil War was being fought over slavery and southern Christians were not adverse to referring to their Bibles as the primary source to support their argument that it was divinely inspired!

Under "Jim Crow" laws, Black Americans were largely disenfranchised, attended segregated schools and not even allowed to use the same restaurants and washrooms as their "White" counterparts!

As recently as 1964, 19 American states still had laws that banned interracial marriage - legislation supported by most Christians living in those jurisdictions!

Slavery, Jim Crow laws and interracial marriage are no longer controversial issues in American life, but there was a time in the not so distant pass when many professing American Christians were adamant that they and their pastors could quote chapter and verse from the Bible supporting them!
 

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If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

Less than 2 centuries ago, the American Civil War was being fought over slavery and southern Christians were not adverse to referring to their Bibles as the primary source to support their argument that it was divinely inspired!

Under "Jim Crow" laws, Black Americans were largely disenfranchised, attended segregated schools and not even allowed to use the same restaurants and washrooms as their "White" counterparts!

As recently as 1964, 19 American states still had laws that banned interracial marriage - legislation supported by most Christians living in those jurisdictions!

Slavery, Jim Crow laws and interracial marriage are no longer controversial issues in American life, but there was a time in the not so distant pass when many professing American Christians were adamant that they and their pastors could quote chapter and verse from the Bible supporting them!

As recently as 1996, indigenous Canadian children were forcibly sent to residential schools so they could be beaten, tortured and raped, their identity as indigenous peoples beaten out of them.

1996
 

God's Truth

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Any cake made for me would have my beautiful wife upon it.
And the Government DID marry me to my wife.
And we chose freely who would marry us.
And we did not need to adopt children.

But your prejudice drove you to the above sentrence, methinks.
Don't be so goofy. If you aren't gay then it wasn't to you. There is a 'you' in general and one has to figure it out if it is to you or not. Evidently, you can't figure it out.


Errr???? I support people who keep the Government's laws!!!. You want to be more careful with your sentence layouts.

Yeah that could use some clarifying. Most laws line up with God's law, but they are being changed to be different.
 

God's Truth

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If one is "born gay" how do you explain ex-gays?

Less than 2 centuries ago, the American Civil War was being fought over slavery and southern Christians were not adverse to referring to their Bibles as the primary source to support their argument that it was divinely inspired!

Under "Jim Crow" laws, Black Americans were largely disenfranchised, attended segregated schools and not even allowed to use the same restaurants and washrooms as their "White" counterparts!

As recently as 1964, 19 American states still had laws that banned interracial marriage - legislation supported by most Christians living in those jurisdictions!

Slavery, Jim Crow laws and interracial marriage are no longer controversial issues in American life, but there was a time in the not so distant pass when many professing American Christians were adamant that they and their pastors could quote chapter and verse from the Bible supporting them!

Just because they were wrong about interracial marriage doesn't mean they were wrong about everything else.
 

Derf

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Despite the desire of many here to believe otherwise, sex is not necessarily binary. But it would take, oh, perhaps a visit to a local college or university to investigate that and it is so much easier to just post on the internet

As if college campuses are where you go to determine how people are made???????

Why don't you go to a birthing center?
 

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Fortunately for such folks in Western civilizations our laws have decided that same-sex relationships are about love and not perversion.

I hate to break it to you, but man's laws do not trump God's laws.

Now if you think otherwise then that is fine..... everybody has freedom of mind, as long as you don't try to interfere with any relationships then... no problem.

But if you were to interfere in marriages or civil-partnerships the modern laws would judge you as the sinner. Do you see?

Obey God rather than men.

God says homosexuality is an abomination.

Eider says homosexuality is about love and not perversion.

Let God be true and every man a liar.
 

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Despite the desire of many here to believe otherwise, sex is not necessarily binary.

Despite the desire of Jonahdog here to believe otherwise, sex is in fact binary.

But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’ - Mark 10:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark10:6&version=NKJV

But it would take, oh, perhaps a visit to a local college or university to investigate that and it is so much easier to just post on the internet

Colleges and universities are by no means authorities when it comes to how God made man, male and female.
 

eider

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I hate to break it to you, but man's laws do not trump God's laws.



Obey God rather than men.

God says homosexuality is an abomination.

Eider says homosexuality is about love and not perversion.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

You take the words 'same sex relationships' and turn it in to homosexuality.

Allow to repeat myself that same sex relationships' are about love and not perversion. Christians are told to obey the laws of the lands which they live in, aren't they?

Too many people in the world interfere in the freedom and lives of others, sometimes even with terrorism, and terrorism is an evil which must be stood up against, trodden down and defeated. Many Christians would agree with me I think.
 

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You take the words 'same sex relationships' and turn it in to homosexuality.

"homo" = same

sexuality = capacity for sexual feelings (implication: relationships)

:think:

same sex relationships == homosexual relationships -> a subset of homosexuality

Allow to repeat myself that same sex relationships' are about love and not perversion.

Repeating yourself doesn't make you correct.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

God says homosexuality is an abomination. Who are you to say otherwise?

Christians are told to obey the laws of the lands which they live in, aren't they?

Except when the laws of the land are wicked. Then we are to obey God rather than men.

God says homosexuality (which includes homosexual relationships) is an abomination.

Therefore, any laws made by man affirming or approving of homosexuality are to be disobeyed, and justly so.

Man is subject to the government, but obey God rather than men.

Too many people in the world interfere in the freedom and lives of others,

What, you mean like homos do, interfering in the freedom and lives of others?


We Just Want To Be Left Alone: "Right. In the public square, biblical Christianity and homosexuality are mutually exclusive. One or the other will be in the closet", said Bob Enyart. A homosexual replies: "No really, we just want to be left alone. Oh yeah, and you better bake us a cake. (But meeting Supreme Court opposition there, they're still pursuing plenty of other lawsuits.) And you better keep your mouth shut about us suing you and we'll get you fired if you don't use the pronouns we demand. And come to think of it, you've gotta bake us a pizza pie too. And some cookies. Or else. Because you'll get hit with a lawsuit or we'll take government action against you if you hesitate to obey any of these demands. So, you better send us flowers. And, "Hey you ladies, wax my genitals" and while I'm waiting give me a haircut. And take photos. Or else. And forget about your heterosexual student clubs, doctors, and your boys-only cub scouts, and forget about your "morally straight" boy scouts and adult scout leaders, and forget about your father-daughter events, your heterosexual dating services, rescue missions, college Christian clubs, heterosexual NCAA-affiliated college campuses and straight boarding schools.
Christian Headlines: California raids Christian school, orders it to change beliefs on sex
We've decided to ban them. Oh yeah, and did we tell you? You're going to print us some t-shirts, provide the floral arrangements, sign our marriage certificates, or else, and then host our wedding! Yup. Even on your church property, and in your own theological seminaries. And we want a parade, and you're going to provide security too. And a few last things. Don't forget our subpoenas for your sermon transcripts, and you better remove sections from that Bible of yours if you want to keep it available. Because remember, Colorado has enacted a model law to censor your objectionable speech. And now, even Irish homosexuals just want to be left alone. Really. And etc., etc., etc., etc. So watch out.


http://kgov.com/homo

sometimes even with terrorism,

What homosexuals do in public could almost be classified as terrorism.

and terrorism is an evil which must be stood up against, trodden down and defeated. Many Christians would agree with me I think.

So then you would agree that homosexuals should not be allowed to terrorize the public with their behavior? :thumb:

To address what you said, first of all http://kgov.com/terrorism (somewhat off topic), second of all an appeal to popularity is a logical fallacy.
 
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