I basically agree with much of your post.
Two points of one or two other points which I can not agree with, however, are:
1 - the idea that your relating that you are in tears about such things will move any of the kinds of people you are referring to.
For the very reasons you cited about the various stages of growth such often display any a clue about in their interactions with others.
You're basically posting that to the same kinds of people the writer of Hebrews wrote something similar to in Hebrews 5, at the same time that he related in that same chapter his awareness about their kind - that where there kind was concerned - no one was home.
2 - Which brings me to my second disagreement with the above.
I have just now based my above to you, based on a memory of what the writer of Hebrews wrote about it.
Was that a result of the Holy Spirit bringing that chapter to my mind?
Nope.
Rather, as in any area in life, whenever we find ourselves in and or reading about a context similar to one we have experienced and or read about before, what is known as a Context Marker is set off by the simililarity between the two contexts
The result being that we then automatically remember "the first time I heard that song, where I was, what its' lyrics were," and so on...
That is not the Spirit, that is our own memory.
In the case of our remembering related passages of Scripture, this is simply because we have previously exposed our mind and its memory processes to those passaages, simply through time in the Scripture reading and or studying them.
Something else of interest about this second point, to me at least...
You want to know why, say, two Bible students both remember a same passage or passages, during one debate or another, and yet each their understanding of those same passages might reflect a night and day difference in each their understandings said passages?
I mean, if you're right about the Spirit being the one doing the leading unto all truth - as such a superstition would conclude: absent of having studied out in depth the actual sense of such passages - then why are those two Bible students at such odds as to each their often very different understanding of passages?
Why?
Because as I have just laid out, one, the Spirit is not the One bringing passages to one's remembrance. Rather, our God given memory processes in Adam do that.
So, there is that.
And then their is the just as readily observable fact that where one is often unknowingly studying passages out from, both influences and becomes part of the memorized context they conclude they are seeing in the passages.
Later, a similar context sets off said memory in the person.
The poster "dodge," is a perfect example of this - one or another MAD will point a thing out to him from within a much fuller picture of things that he has clearly failed to look at things from.
Next thing one sees, is dodge quoting passages he asserts say what he asserts they do.
His error while studying, or whatever it is he so sloppily does, has become memorized by his mind's memory processes.
Sure enough, as with any "garbage (information) in, garbage (information) out" memory processing unit, up come those very errors into his conscious remembrance, for him to pound his chest about some hollow victory or another about "in his own mind."
Result?
There is no reasoning with either of the two kinds of people described in the above.
There is only, Rom. 5:6-8.
That is all one can focus on, when dealing with such: the mind of Christ towards such.
A focus which also is a result of time in the Word studying out there, where the Lord might want one to look at others from - no matter who they are or how they conduct themselves.
Do that, squeek, and whatever tears you are going on about will easily be replaced by the automatic thought "ah, an opportunity to look at this individual from where Christ looks at all of us..."
Which is the following focus no matter how repeatedly dense or even hypocritical the individual one might even point such things out to, might twist them into anything but one's actual, following intent.
The focus of...
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 5:7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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The carnal mind is very deceptive. And uses gross exaggerations to justify itself. Look at what I wrote I said almost and you assumed I was at tears. Almost implies I am sad. Now as far as the Holy Spirit bringing the verses to mind. You did blaspheme Him with your statement. Here is a revelation on the hidden language of the Holy Spirit. You might pay close attention to this verse.
[Jhn 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
HIDDEN LANGUAGE (HOLY SPIRIT LANGUAGE)(MEAT)(NEW TONGUE)
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Rev 2:16
16 'Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth.
1 Cor 2:4-5
4 And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:6-7
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory,
Matt 13:10-11
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, "Why do You speak to them in parables?"
11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.
Matt 13:13-14
13 "Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand.
14 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: 'Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive;
1 Cor 14:10
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Matt 13:16-17
16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;
17 "for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Matt 13:18-19
18 "Therefore hear the parable of the sower:
19 "When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside.
Mark 4:14
14 "The sower sows the word.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 3:34
34 "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
John 3:33
33 "He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true.
Eph 1:9
9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
2 Cor 5:7
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2 Cor 5:10-11
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Matt 4:4
4 But He answered and said, "It is written, 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.'"
Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
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There are many languages in the world. Doctors have one, lawyers have one, intellectuals have one, common people have one. Seeing that the only guaranteed message in the bible comes from the Holy Spirit. So to guard that guarantee He even uses a special language. And the Holy Spirit only quotes verses, He explains verses with other verses. There are spirits in us trying to deceive us and they all speak the same language carnal. So we can discern the Holy Spirit He quotes verses. Now this is the meat understanding of the Word. The milk understanding is done with the carnal language, the meat understanding is done with only verses. Its an unknown tongue to the carnal mind.
[Mat 12:34-37
34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
35 "A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things.
36 "But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 "For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
II Jn 1:8-11
8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.
9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.
10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;
11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
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2 Cor 3:5-6
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God,
6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
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John 5:30
30 "I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.
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Eph 6:17
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
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John 7:18
18 "He who speaks from himself seeks his own glory; but He who seeks the glory of the One who sent Him is true, and no unrighteousness is in Him.
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John 8:42-43
42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43 "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
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Col 2:1-3
1 For I want you to know what a great conflict I have for you and those in Laodicea, and for as many as have not seen my face in the flesh,
2 that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
3 in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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Col 1:26
26 the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
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1 Cor 13:8-10
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
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Zeph 3:9
9 "For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, that they all may call on the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one accord.
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Gal 2:18-20
18 "For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 "For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God.
20 "I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
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John 10:9
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
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What most people dont know is that the Holy Spirit cannot teach you unless you believe the verses the way they are written. Most people believe the interpretations of the verses, but not the verses the way they are written. That is the only way the Holy Spirit can speak to us. We have always had a guardian angel that speaks to us carnally. And we have always had our own devil speaking to us carnally. It takes the Holy Spirit with the verses working inside of us to discern who is who..
[Rom 8:27
27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit [is], because He makes intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.
AN UNKNOWN TONGUE
