How can they be the BOC when they are enemies of the gospel of the BOC?
How important is the Sabbath?
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achduke
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When was the last new moon, festival or sabbath you recognized? This verse is about judging those that following these commandments, not for those that do not follow them.
achduke
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That this verse is taken out of context when defending that there is no sabbath.
Oh pulleeeeezzz... ...that is ridiculous.
"How important is the Sabbath"
The real question is, how important is the Lord's Day - the day that Christ rose from the dead, the first day of the week.
Two things we agree on.
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Clete gave you a few paragraphs of scripture to prove that the feasts and Sabbath, etc, are NOT in effect anymore !!
Colossians 2:14 KJV - Colossians 2:16 KJV -
It is an allegory of the body and the ten tribes of Israel have sin: if your right hand offends you mortify it, put it to sleep, mortify your "members" which are upon The Land, (the Land of YHWH, which Land you are now entered into when it comes to the "land" of your body-vessel and the "members" of your household). And when the Master comes he will bring to life those unruly members of your household, which you have been forced to put to sleep, and he will settle the score with those which have caused you tears and pain, (sins cause tears and pain and are blotted out just as tears are wiped away [that is the same word for blotted]). Otherwise why immerse for the dead as Paul says? (the washing of the body in the clean pure water of the Word). Messiah is the Savior of the body, (Ephesians 5:23), and therefore when he returns to settle the score what shall become of your members which have been put to rest in the name and doctrine of Messiah? There shall be life from the dead, and a kingdom-dominion within you wherein dwells righteousness, you yourself ruling over twelve tribes next to Messiah and in his name by the Word of the Father. In the same way shall all Israel be delivered, yes, the unruly members of the body are the enemies; thank goodness they are not within the inner man but without, that is, they dwell in the outer bounds "common-profane" area of the body-temple, (the flesh, Romans 7:18-25).
achduke
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Except that is your interpretation. They do not say they are no longer in effect. They just say do not let anyone judge you.
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Holy Days here are God's feasts and sabbaths. These are not Christmas and Easter. The Sabbath is the day God appointed. Not the first day of the week.
People were being judge if someone did not wash their hands. Men were elevating their own laws above God's law.
Lets look at the context before 2:16.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
The Jewish leadership at the time were valuing their own laws and judging people based on their own traditions above the Laws of God.
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No it's not.
It means exactly what it says ---- they are enemies of the gospel (which means they are not of the gospel that the BOC is of), but they are still beloved of GOD.
Which means that there is a separate group beloved of GOD that is not of the BOC.
Colossians 2:16-17 KJV Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath, which are a shadow of things to come, but the body of Christ.
The body of Christ is the church. Judgment is made by scripture.
That means God does not judge
What about Colossians 2:14 KJV ?
Not if we judge ourselves correctly.
False Prophet
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Joseph Bates said that the Sabbath was reinstituted after Hiram Edson's cornfield vision.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that but it doesn't matter one way or the other because it doesn't say that in the text. It simply says not to allow people to judge you concerning sabbaths. If someone thinks you're supposed to observe the sabbath and you don't, they might judge you (see this thread for examples of exactly that). And the reverse is true as well. If a weaker brother doesn't eat pig meat, for example, then don't cause him to stumble by giving him cause to be offended by your liberty. But the one who observes such things is the WEAKER brother, not the other way around and so you certainly should not let him judge you because of your liberty.
Resting in Him,
Clete
Nothin' like a corn field vision !
Is it written that Jesus ate pig meat? How about Paul, did he eat pig meat?
Are you not aware that the ten tribes of which I spoke went into captivity around 721BC? That is about 750 years before the advent of Messiah, three quarters of a millennium: and now it has been almost two more millennia since the advent of Messiah. The only true enemies to the Gospel are sins, evil thoughts, the deeds of the flesh, and death. Death is the last enemy to be subjected, (when the Son delivers your dominion up to the Father). Just as Paul says; we wrestle not against flesh and blood. You have made enemies with literal physical human beings by way of a carnal understanding of the words of Paul.