How did His sheep get lost?

OZOS

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Nice job of IGNORING the two verses which I quoted. Do you deny that they teach that ALL people belong to the LORD?
I'm not ignoring the verses you twit, which is why I quoted them and returned to the REAL conversation that we were having before you decided to make it about something else. My goodness, you are an utter and complete moron. Are you on drugs? Are you in a mental ward? No one on earth, can possibly be as obtuse as you.
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
Your argument was that only the Jews could be lost because only they belonged to God. but the verses which i quoted prove otherwise. My goodness, sonny boy, you can't even remember what you were arguing, proving once again that your spiritual I.Q. is practically non-existent.
 

OZOS

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Your argument was that only the Jews could be lost because only they belonged to God. but the verses which i quoted prove otherwise.
That is not what happen, and I said no such thing. Again, all you know how to do is lie, and why this site tolerates your repeated lies and misrepresentations is beyond the scope of reason.

The context was Israel and sheep, and you wandered off into la-la land having a conversation with yourself. You added words, like you always do, to what other people say, and then you accuse them of saying it. You did it in another post, and you just did it here. This proves that you are mentally unstable, because you put words in other people's mouth and then accuse them of saying it.

You did it in post #84 when you said this...

"Your argument is baseless because it is based on the idea that before someone can be "lost" he must first belong and only the Jews belonged."


You should be banned from this sight for lying and intentionally deceiving others.
 

Jerry Shugart

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let me refresh your memory about what you said about the Jews and the Gentiles belonging:

You said;

"In order to be lost, you must first belong " post 366

then you said the following about the Gentiles:

Israel was a chosen nation, by God. They were His. He gave them the Law, promises, covenants, etc., but they often went astray and were lost. The Gentiles, on the other hand...

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world"
Post 372

soyou were arguing that the Jews belonged but the Gentiles do not belong.

So even if you do not realize it you were arguing that only the Jews belonged."

You are in over your head, sonny boy1
 

OZOS

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let me refresh your memory about what you said about the Jews and the Gentiles belonging:

You said;

"In order to be lost, you must first belong " post 366

then you said the following about the Gentiles:

Israel was a chosen nation, by God. They were His. He gave them the Law, promises, covenants, etc., but they often went astray and were lost. The Gentiles, on the other hand...

"That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world"
Post 372

soyou were arguing that the Jews belonged but the Gentiles do not belong.

So even if you do not realize it you were arguing that only the Jews belonged."

You are in over your head, sonny boy1
The Gentiles did not belong to the nation of Israel, you stupid, stupid, pervert,


Everyone is in over their head when you enter the room, because you're so full of dung that it spreads everywhere you go.
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
Of course you just refuse to address the verses which I quoted that prove that every single individual, be it a Jew or a Gentile, have all belonged to God at one time pr another;

"The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" (Ps.24;1).

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine" (Ez.18:4).

You can continue to run and hide from those verses but they will not go away.
 

OZOS

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Of course you just refuse to address the verses which I quoted that prove that every single individual, be it a Jew or a Gentile, have all belonged to God at one time pr another;

"The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" (Ps.24;1).

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine" (Ez.18:4).

You can continue to run and hide from those verses but they will not go away.
I answered these questions, now you answer mine.

Have you stopped having sex with your goat?
 

OZOS

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Of course you just refuse to address the verses which I quoted that prove that every single individual, be it a Jew or a Gentile, have all belonged to God at one time pr another;

"The earth is the LORD'S, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" (Ps.24;1).

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine" (Ez.18:4).

You can continue to run and hide from those verses but they will not go away.
I believe these verses and they have nothing to do with anything we discussed. Not even close, but because you are a pervert, not just of all things Biblical, but in all things concerning life, no one is capable of a rational discussion with you. You abandoned the conversation a long time ago and went off on a tangent completely unrelated to anything being discussed or I stated. And then you continue to create your strawman, because of your inferiority complex, in order to make yourself feel better about yourself. If you had the capacity to not wander off into other topics, and stop lying, people could converse with you, but it is obvious that you cannot. You are a moron. a liar, and you have ZERO integrity.

Post #104 reiterates my stance and proves that you are a liar, as does every other post I participated in on this thread.
 

byass

New member
Who are the sheep?
The sheep are those the Father gave to the Son (Jn10:29).
The sheep hear Jesus call; the sheep follow Jesus.
Jesus gives his sheep eternal life; the sheep shall never perish; the sheep are secure in the Father's hand (Jn10:25-30)

Jesus, the Good Shepherd, lay down his life for the sheep (Jn 10:15,17)

These scriptures on the sheep speak conclusively of election and limited atonement.
There are multitudes of Christians who hate, ignore or malign these two doctrines.

How did the sheep get lost?
Adam (Rom 5:12-19)

I make no apologies to those who maybe offended by God' truth.
 

OZOS

Well-known member
These scriptures on the sheep speak conclusively of election and limited atonement.
There are multitudes of Christians who hate, ignore or malign these two doctrines.
That's because they are both the doctrine of demons.
 

ttruscott

Active member
How did the sheep get lost?
Adam (Rom 5:12-19)
But Rom 5:12 does not say that, does it...Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned. It says death comes to all men for all men are sinners. In other words, only sinners are sown, planted into this world, Matt 13:36-39.

I know orthodoxy needs us to inherit sin from Adam as well as death because it is committed to the idea of our new creation as evil at conception or at birth, but this verse doesn't carry that weight. Also everything we know about the righteousness of GOD flies in the face of any idea that HE would created anyone but especially HIS Bride, sinful in Adam when HE could create us perfect with a free will like Adam.

But that would mean that we had a life in the Spirit before the creation of the physical universe (which we saw Job 38:7 and Rom 1:20) in which we made our faith choices about our eternal relationship with YHWH by our free will and earth is not the place we are to come to find GOD but to RETURN to HIM after going astray from HIM into sin.
 
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byass

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That's because they are both the doctrine of demons.
You have made up your mind they are doctrines of demons.
I won't confuse you with the facts.
If the doctrines are God's truth then you are saying Jesus and the apostles were taken captive by the Devil to do his will!
 

OZOS

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You have made up your mind they are doctrines of demons.
I won't confuse you with the facts.
If the doctrines are God's truth then you are saying Jesus and the apostles were taken captive by the Devil to do his will!
No, my mind is made up, because I believe the Bible.

The "facts" are, you are confusing the distinctions made between Jews and Gentiles, and claiming they apply to individuals. This was one of the doctrines of demons shared by the cultist John Calvin. He created his false theology based on the lie that men are saved by the death of Jesus. From that, he manufactured his false gospel of election, predestination, and limited atonement.

I affirm the truth of the gospel, while YOU call God's word "a lie", but it is YOU that is the liar, without Christ and without hope. In fact, YOU are predestined to hell.
 

Jerry Shugart

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OZOS, you wrote;

"This was one of the doctrines of demons shared by the cultist John Calvin. He created his false theology based on the lie that men are saved by the death of Jesus."

Don't you know that sinners are saved as result of being redeemed?:

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).

A believer is redeemed by the death of the Lord Jesus (1 Peter1:18-19).

Do you deny either of those facts?
 

OZOS

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OZOS, you wrote;

"This was one of the doctrines of demons shared by the cultist John Calvin. He created his false theology based on the lie that men are saved by the death of Jesus."

Don't you know that sinners are saved as result of being redeemed?:

"Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus" (Ro.3:24).

A believer is redeemed by the death of the Lord Jesus (1 Peter1:18-19).

Do you deny either of those facts?
Made up, you lying pile of crap.

Because you are a pervert, and don't know the gospel, you once again rip verses out of their context and defend a religious cult.

The blood of Jesus was shed for all sins of all men. To say otherwise is to reject the gospel, and apparently you do.

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace" Eph 1:7

And here is another verse you've already mocked and rejected on another thread...

"For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." Col 1:13-14

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, yet the whole world is not forgiven, for forgiveness is "in Him". Redemption is "in Him".

Why do you persist in showing everyone that you don't have a clue what took place at the cross, and more importantly the resurrection?

"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." Rom 5:8-10

No one is saved by His death, because Jesus died for ALL men, and ALL men are not saved. Are you now preaching universalism? Because of His death, the justification of life is for all men. We are saved by receiving His life, not by His death. His death makes receiving His life possible. "It is the Spirit that gives life" Jn 6:63 Becoming "one spirit with Him", having received His life, by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, is salvation.

"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18

It is blatantly obvious that you don't understand the first thing about soteriology, and are doing nothing more than embarrassing yourself publicly. You should probably do yourself, and everyone else, a favor and just stop speaking.

"For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."
 
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Jerry Shugart

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SOZOS you said: 'Made up, you lying pile of crap.'

Do you deny that you wrote the following?:

'This was one of the doctrines of demons shared by the cultist John Calvin. He created his false theology based on the lie that men are saved by the death of Jesus."

You also wrote:No one is saved by His death, because Jesus died for ALL men, and ALL men are not saved. Are you now preaching universalism?

Chrst died on the behalf of all men but only believers receive the benefit of his death.

Just like your father the devil you tell lies in order to diminish the importance of the death of the Lord Jesus upon the Cross.

Go back to your cult because you will never convince anyone on this forum that "no one is saved by His death."
 

OZOS

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Do you deny that you wrote the following?:

'This was one of the doctrines of demons shared by the cultist John Calvin. He created his false theology based on the lie that men are saved by the death of Jesus."

You also wrote: No one is saved by His death, because Jesus died for ALL men, and ALL men are not saved. Are you now preaching universalism?
I do not deny it, because that is the gospel. For you to claim it is not, places you outside the faith, and are in fact a heretic.

You are, without a doubt, the most Biblically illiterate person on the planet. Redemption is IN HIM, you fool. I've already given you the verses that prove this, and you ignored them, as well as all the other Biblical evidence that proves that you are a fraud. You must be IN HIM, to be saved. YOU are not IN HIM, which is why you deny that men are saved by His life, not His death.

"But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life." Rom 5:8-10

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace" Eph 1:7

And here is another verse you've already mocked and rejected on another thread...

"For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins." Col 1:13-14

Jesus died for the sins of the whole world, yet the whole world is not forgiven, for forgiveness is "in Him". Redemption is "in Him".

No one is saved by His death, because Jesus died for ALL men, and ALL men are not saved. Are you now preaching universalism? Because of His death, the justification of life is for all men. We are saved by receiving His life, not by His death. His death makes receiving His life possible. "It is the Spirit that gives life" Jn 6:63 Becoming "one spirit with Him", having received His life, by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, is salvation.

"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18

If you would not be so lazy and read the entire context of the verse you quote, perhaps you would have a clue about "redemption", but you won't, because you are a bonehead donkey's butt.

"For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus." Rom 3:22-26
 

Jerry Shugart

Well-known member
OZOS, you quoted the following verse:

"So then, as through one offense the result was condemnation to all mankind, so also through one act of righteousness the result was justification of life to all mankind." Rom 5:18

So do you believe that every person is justified in the eyes of God? You must because that is what this translation says.
 
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