Have you learned the shema?

[Catholic Crusader]

Is there a commandment of God that you observe?

Yes, honor Thanksgiving

..... and pie.

 

[Jacob]

Yes, honor Thanksgiving

Hi patrick jane.

Have you read the Torah?

 

[Jacob]

You do not accept because of your own dogmatic, narrow and limited view of reality.

No freelight. You are again incorrect.

 

[Jacob]

Why do you not answer? Have you no real faith in what you say you believe?

The question is simple. You try to keep Law...why?

If it can't justify you before God, what DOES keeping Law gain you?

Put the other way - what would NOT keeping Law lose for you?

Unless you're just a lying troll, you are convinced there's a necessary reason to keep Law.

What is that reason?

"Because it's in the Torah" isn't good enough...what happens if you DON'T keep it?

We obey God because His commandment is for us to obey.

Do you obey God?

 

[Catholic Crusader]

......Have you read the Torah?

Did you know that the Torah foreshadows the New Testament?

 

[musterion]

We obey God because His commandment is for us to obey.

No. Law was only to show sin AS sin, not to save nor to sanctify.

Do you obey God?

Yes, according to what Christ commanded from glory through the apostle Paul, which excludes the Law.

 

[Jacob]

Did you know that the Torah foreshadows the New Testament?

I actually do not know what you are saying. Are you asking if I once knew something? I also do not know what you mean by the New Testament.

Shalom.

 

[Jacob]

No. Law was only to show sin AS sin, not to save nor to sanctify.



Yes, according to what Christ commanded from glory through the apostle Paul, which excludes the Law.

If you do not obey, it is sin.

Shalom.

 

[musterion]

If you do not obey, it is sin.

Then you lied, and Lawkeeping IS for justification.

 

[Jacob]

Then you lied, and Lawkeeping IS for justification.

No

 

[musterion]

No

Then if keeping the Law does not lead to justification, then not keeping the Law is not sin.

 

[Jacob]

Then if keeping the Law does not lead to justification, then not keeping the Law is not sin.

No

 

[musterion]

No

So you cannot be justified by keeping Law, but not keeping Law is sin?

 

[freelight]

No freelight. You are again incorrect.

My observation was valid, since you are obviously choosing to believe in your own narrow, limited, dogmatic view of reality (which includes beliefs about 'God'). Until your words prove otherwise, its the presentation at hand.

 

[Jacob]

So you cannot be justified by keeping Law, but not keeping Law is sin?

Yes. You are correct. I see no need to quibble over words. You may continue to grow in your understanding.

Shalom.

 

[Jacob]

My observation was valid, since you are obviously choosing to believe in your own narrow, limited, dogmatic view of reality (which includes beliefs about 'God'). Until your words prove otherwise, its the presentation at hand.

No

 

[musterion]

Yes. You are correct.

Liar. It makes no sense and you know it. If NOT keeping Law = sin, then keeping Law = justification from sin. But you just said lawkeeping is not for justification. You're a liar and a troll. You don't believe anything you write. If you did, you'd fix the contradictory hole you dug yourself into.

 

[Jacob]

Liar. It makes no sense and you know it. If NOT keeping Law = sin, then keeping Law = justification from sin. But you just said lawkeeping is not for justification. You're a liar and a troll. You don't believe anything you write. If you did, you'd fix the contradictory hole you dug yourself into.

I do not even know what you are talking about.

Shalom.

 

[musterion]

I do not even know what you are talking about.

Because Satan has blinded your mind.

 

[freelight]

Creative Dialogue....can u engage?

Creative Dialogue....can u engage?

I do not even know what you are talking about.

Shalom.

:think:

The reason I asked about English being your second language is because of the level of your comprehension skills, in just dialoguing here. Most of us figure you'd have basic biblical knowledge since you appear to accept the whole Bible (OT & NT) but are unfamiliar with even the concept of what a 'new testament' is. Any bible student has a basic understanding of 'covenants', especially the 'old' and 'new'. So, one wonders about the 'breadth' of your knowledge about basic theological subjects. Now unless your own words prove you have knowledge and can RELATE this knowledge in a constructive dialogue, we are hard pressed to engage you. So, we'd ask for a little leeway and creativity here, if you can manage.