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Many don't. What about them? Is God's foreknowledge negated simply because some disciple didn't obey God when he was given the command to "Go and make a disciple out of him"?
ECT Grace is unconditional but not universal
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Well, first you have to have a mind to be read, 1m1s. Do you comprehend my subtle comment?
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I have no difficulty with such concepts...abstract as they are.
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Right - so even preaching to church goers does not guarantee one is preaching to the converted. So whether the Calvinist likes it or not, he'll be telling unbelievers that Christ died for them...unless, of course, he makes an explicit qualification.
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Invert.
Interesting question. If one NEVER hears the Gospel, which is nearly impossible in our day and age because of the Internet, Cable TV, access to Bibles, missionaries, tracts, etc, then, I suppose God may take that into consideration. Thereby, judging them by their conscience perhaps? After all the Bible says: Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"
? Your undeveloped Wit, escapes me.
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Just as Paul said in 1 cor 15:2
They are still told that, 'Christ died for our sins'.
Calvinists have an uncanny ability to keep "Free-will" off their radar. They read the Bible and can't seem to see ANY of humanities ability to choose? I like to use the following verse: Matthew 23:37 as a "test Scripture." It states: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
How Calvinists can't see ANY free-will coming from the House of Israel in that verse, baffles me?? Christ (God the Son) wanted His people to worship Him alone, yet, THEY WOULD NOT! That was THEIR choice, not His.
How Calvinists can't see ANY free-will coming from the House of Israel in that verse, baffles me?? Christ (God the Son) wanted His people to worship Him alone, yet, THEY WOULD NOT! That was THEIR choice, not His.
1Mind1Spirit
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And who but God Himself has done that?
Calvinists on TOL have NEVER tried to tackle that question?
TB, care to comment on that Scripture verse?
1 Timothy 2:4 "Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
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? what do you mean?
God's Grace is open to ALL of humanity. Calvinists deny this and other Scriptures that pertain to this truth.
Looks as if MOST Calvinists run for the hills when I show up? Was it something I've said?
Looks like TB doesn't want to take on that verse. I don't blame him. It's a difficult verse for Calvinists to "explain away."
1Mind1Spirit
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1 Corinthians 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
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You are on the right track and if you'd give yourself a chance at understanding some things you argue against, you would discover you have no argument. Learn the difference between preaching that leads to salvation and teaching for discipleship.
Consider the 3rd world nations full of illiterate people who have never heard the gospel yet order their lives to worship a God in innocense believing for righteousness? They are not in need of salvation but teaching about the God they already, in innocense, worship. Teach Jesus who God has been preparing, maybe for generations, to learn of. Follow Paul's example on Mars Hill.
Like I said before, the world is getting smaller. (communication wise) Pretty much everybody has access to the "True Gospel."
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