God's two wills

morphi2

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This is an honest question I am asking to gain further insight into Calvinistic/Reformed theology (which I do not hold to). I have posted this question elsewhere but am trying to get input from various sources.

Calvinism and Reformed Theology speak of two wills of God: decretal (God decrees everything that comes to pass–good, bad, and neutral) and prescriptive (God’s moral will–He commands us to do good and to not do evil). While there is over-lap, not everything in God’s decretal will is included in His prescriptive will and not everything in His prescriptive will is in His decretal will.

Calvinism and Reformed Theology also maintain that God is absolutely sovereign (able to control absolutely everything meticulously). They also adhere to a compatibilistic view of human freedom (humans are held responsible for doing what they desire most even though their desires are dictated by prior circumstances outside of their control).

Given all of that, why would God’s decretal will ever differ from His prescriptive will?
 

genuineoriginal

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This is an honest question I am asking to gain further insight into Calvinistic/Reformed theology (which I do not hold to). I have posted this question elsewhere but am trying to get input from various sources.

Calvinism and Reformed Theology speak of two wills of God: decretal (God decrees everything that comes to pass–good, bad, and neutral) and prescriptive (God’s moral will–He commands us to do good and to not do evil). While there is over-lap, not everything in God’s decretal will is included in His prescriptive will and not everything in His prescriptive will is in His decretal will.

Calvinism and Reformed Theology also maintain that God is absolutely sovereign (able to control absolutely everything meticulously). They also adhere to a compatibilistic view of human freedom (humans are held responsible for doing what they desire most even though their desires are dictated by prior circumstances outside of their control).

Given all of that, why would God’s decretal will ever differ from His prescriptive will?
I am not Calvinist/Reformed.

Preceptive will is what is written in the commandments for everyone to see and anyone can oppose.
Decretive will is what Calvinist/Reformed claim is the real will of God that nobody can oppose.
 

morphi2

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I know what the definitions of the two wills are. The question is why would God's decretal will differ from His prescriptive will? In other words, why does this world (the product of God's decretal will) not precisely conform to God's prescriptive will (given God's absolute/meticulous sovereignty and human compatibilistic free will)?
 

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The decretal will of God is volitional (the faculty of willing). Hence, there is but one will of God. While we may speak of will of disposition, will of precept, etc., these are but nice ways to understand the ineffable.

The usual way "two wills" are distinguished without introducing contrariety into the one will of God is to acknowledge the simple point that the word "will" is used in two different ways.

In one sense He is said to will something volitionally. This is God's will properly speaking. "God works all things after the counsel of His own will." Eph. 1:11

There is also the extended use of the word "will" when a certain course of action is said to be the will of God. "This is the will of God concerning you, even your sanctification." In this latter sense the word "will" is being used morally, not volitionally. 1 Thess. 4:3

The two words may be used without contradiction or confusion if we keep in mind that the secret will refers to what shall be and the revealed will concerns what should be.

The precepts of God are just that: what man ought to do. Prescriptions. Thus, we use the phrase prescriptive will. We speak of God's prescriptive will understanding that God's precepts are not the faculty of God willing, for what God wills (volitional) cannot not happen. These precepts are but what God commands that all should do.

Again, the word "will" strictly means something which is volitionally determined. Reformed theology understands that God's will always comes to pass and is never frustrated so far as the futurition of events is concerned. Psalm 115:3 and Ephesians 1:5,11 should suffice to show that the proper sense of "God's will", as in that by which God determines and effects what shall and shall not be and come to pass, is invariably accomplished in its fullest extent and in its minutest detail.

On the other hand, there is also a use of the word "will" which does not accord with its strict meaning of volitional determination, as when an action is said to be God's will, that is, God requires that a certain action should be done by men. This does not necessarily come to pass because God may not have willed it to come to pass. Hence it is a less than literal or improper use of the word "will." Note, "improper" does not imply that the word should not be used; it only refers to the fact that a word is not being used in accord with its strict meaning.

God’s will is, and rightly ought to be, the cause of all things that are. For if it has any cause, something must precede it, to which it is, as it were, bound; this is unlawful to imagine. For God’s will is so much the highest rule of righteousness that whatever he wills, by the very fact that he wills it, must be considered righteous. When, therefore, one asks why God has so done, we must reply: because he has willed it. But if you proceed further to ask why he so willed, you are seeking something greater and higher than God’s will, which cannot be found.

What Reformed theology denies is that a man’s will is ever free from God’s decree, his own intellection, limitations, parental training, habits, and (in this life) the power of sin. In sum, there is no such thing as the liberty of indifference (the so call free-will of Arminianism, open theism, Romanism); that is, no one’s will is an island unto itself, undetermined or unaffected by anything. According to Reformed theology, if an act is done voluntarily, that is, if it is done spontaneously with no violence being done to the man’s will, then that act is a free act (liberty of spontaneity).

Calvinists are not “free willists.” They assert indeed that man is free—that he is a moral agent not caught up in the wheel of things or determined by mere natural antecedents. But they apprehend that this is something else than freedom of the will. Man is free, that is, he can under ordinary circumstances do what he wills to do. But the will is not free, i.e., there is no extra-volitional vantage point from which the will can determine itself. Man’s will is a property of his nature, which is what it is by sin or by the sovereign grace of God. All of which leaves responsibility fully grounded, for nothing more is required for holding a man accountable than his acting with the consent of his will, however much this may be determined.

Thus because God decreed (decretal will) that all things would come to pass according to the nature of second causes, which means that in the case of men they would act freely and spontaneously, whatever sin they commit proceeds from them and not from God. God does not sin, nor is He the author of sin. Only self-conscious, self-determining, rational second causes sin. God’s freedom is not a threat to human freedom, but the very presupposition of the latter’s existence.

AMR
 

genuineoriginal

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I know what the definitions of the two wills are. The question is why would God's decretal will differ from His prescriptive will? In other words, why does this world (the product of God's decretal will) not precisely conform to God's prescriptive will (given God's absolute/meticulous sovereignty and human compatibilistic free will)?

God's Preceptive (not prescriptive) Will is the only real one and God wants mankind to use his free will to follow it.
God's Decretive Will is made up by Calvinist/Reformed to support their heretical beliefs (see Calvinist/Reformed explanation above).
 

Truster

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Yah Veh Elohim has two wills in relation to time. His revealed will (scripture) and His hidden will.

"The secret things belong unto Yah Veh our Elohim: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children forever, that we may do all the words of this law".
 
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