ECT Gifts of the Spirit


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Oatmeal, found it.


Yes, what did it say? That we are of the SAME BODY; the bold.

Same body as this, which included those whom were NOT cut off, due to unbeleif:

Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.

Paul, himself was of the tribe of Israel, so he is saying, that not all Israel was cut off; as we see further through this text, to which, gentiles are not made in the same body as; by the same faith:

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.

So, we see that there was a remnant, and it is this remnant that new covenant saints are added to; whether jew or greek; but, it went to the jew first; as written...(the new covenant in His shed blood)

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

This is to whom the first jew was added and later the gentiles that would believe.

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

The elect of old covenant Israel did obtain it; and we were added to them, but, the jew first, as written; they were not cut off; because they were IN FAITH; whereas the rest were blinded and in unbelief.

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Who< all? NOPE..just those whom were not of the remnant; context is everything in the word of God.

Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

David was among the remnant; elect that walked by faith; we are added to his group...(the remnant that walked by faith back then.)

Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

It was Israel of the old covenant that fell; to which is whom will be shown jealousy...not Israel of this side of the sure does know how to twist the word of God.

Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.

Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?

Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Only those whom were in unbelief during the old covenant were cut off; Paul said 'we' are added to those whom were the remnant; that walked by faith; and later on those whom were cut off can be grafted back on; but it is only speaking of those whom fell during the old covenant; because the day of salvation was not made available to everyone in the old covenant, for God was using Israel of the flesh to show all mankind as condemned by the law;...and, they can be grafted back on, in the days to come; but, this is not speaking of those whom were in unbelief from this side of the new covenant because God said He winked at their sin from that day; but NOW demands ALL men to repent. The day of salvation has come..this is why MAD is such a baloney doctrine; it makes God out to be a liar. There is NO such thing as salvation outside of the ONE gospel.

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

(only those whom fell in the wilderness, through unbelief; because they were being used by God to show all mankind condemned by the law; God already knew they would not be able to keep the law perfectly; but those whom walked by faith did; because in faith there is no condemnation, or sin imputed..and your sin is all those whom walked by faith knew; even as David that wrote of it...even as Paul quoted in the book of Romans.)

Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

the blindness was only in written. We were added to those whom were the remnant that walked by faith; the same faith we hold to, Paul said.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

In the future, those fleshly israelites that were used by God to show all mankind condemned by the law can be grafted back in....if they repent and believe the ONE gospel that saves, but they will come into the same vine; Christ; not a fleshly nation; the flesh never profited anything with God, as also written.

Rom 11:27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, [they are] enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, [they are] beloved for the fathers' sakes.

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

We have to understand that during that time, God was using them to show all mankind as condemned by the law; and they had no chance at salvation. God called a remnant out of them, and they knew the gospel....and, we are added to written. NO one today has an excuse; the day of salvation has come, through the new and LIVING way; the new covenant in Jesus shed blood.

Rom 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?

Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, [are] all things: to whom [be] glory for ever. Amen

Rightly dividing the word of God is a must. God is not mocked..NOW all must repent and be saved.

A teaching that would teach a fleshly jew that they can be saved by some other fashion, is heresy, and God is not pleased with the teachings of men.

That is all well and good.

Romans 10:9-10 make it clear that anyone who chooses to confess and believe shall be saved.

They then, are capable of being part of and enjoying the great mystery.

Those that do not choose to confess and believe are not capable of being a part of and enjoying the great mystery.

Ephesians 3:6 is the great mystery.

I am not sure why you are arguing with me.



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That is all well and good.

Romans 10:9-10 make it clear that anyone who chooses to confess and believe shall be saved.

They then, are capable of being part of and enjoying the great mystery.

Those that do not choose to confess and believe are not capable of being a part of and enjoying the great mystery.

Ephesians 3:6 is the great mystery.

I am not sure why you are arguing with me.

I wasnt arguing, only clarifying the way I saw it....:chuckle:


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responding 3 years later? You should e-mail her so she knows you apologized.

why are you digging up three year old thread?

Why not recycle the old ones?

It the same subjects all the time.

You seen anything new here?


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While I should probably stay out of this Gifts of the Spirit thread...

The fruit of the Spirit and the gifts of the Spirit seems like they would work in concert/harmony/together in the Christian's life.

The Gifts of the Spirit
Either are valid or invalid
Ceased or did not cease
If they are, they are
If they are not, they are not

What do you believe?​

I believe the Gifts of the Spirit are operational.
Never seen a verse in the N/T that stated the Gifts of the Spirit stopped, but I'm sure the day will come when they cease because they'll not be needed, because Jesus will have come and fulfilled all things and we'll see and know all things clearly.

Why is there such a great move of the Holy Spirit in foreign lands Africa and China and I'm sure elsewhere, because where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, and in those countries they are open to the Word of God, to Jesus and hunger for the Holy Spirit in their life.

And the Holy Spirit here at home in America, what do think, we traded that for religion.

My first recollection of a Full Gospel Church, was in California at the Church of the Open Door, founder R. A. Torrey, Torrey is also founder of BIOLA. Next was AoG, then the Foursquare Church, where we hold our membership. So what do I believe about the Holy Spirit, "Go and Tell" Love others as I am loved by Jesus, and with that you cannot go wrong.

Bless you all, may you know the Joy of the Lord and for your strength too.


Why not recycle the old ones?

It the same subjects all the time.

You seen anything new here?

what is the purpose of responding to a poster who is not active for many years?

Do you want to talk about the topic?

why don't you do it?

Ok, I will accommodate you.

There are many kind of gifts for His followers. What kind of gift are you talking about?

You seem to be Pentecostal. Are you talking about speaking in tongues? This is the main focus of Pentecostals, speaking from my experience.

I think you have tons of thread about it, too.