Gap theory - Gen 1-2 ??

[S-word]

You're looking at the wrong evidence.

Here's the good stuff - you can count on this:

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exo 20:11

Oh, and Stripe is right, a conclusion is not evidence.

And those 6 days, which Stripe believes were literal 24 hour days, were, according to his belief, all created in one literal 24 hour day.

Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the DAY (YOM) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens=universe.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists.

A universe that exists in the two states of visible matter and invisible energy=anti-matter. *

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.*

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”*

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc.

And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.*

Enoch the righteous wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in space-time, but not in our three dimensional time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are cast back into the refining fires of physical life once again, in the eternal cycles of rebirths, or reincarnation in the physical manifestation.

 

[George Affleck]

And those 6 days, which Stripe believes were literal 24 hour days, were, according to his belief, all created in one literal 24 hour day.

Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the DAY (YOM) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens=universe.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists.

A universe that exists in the two states of visible matter and invisible energy=anti-matter. *

“Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.*

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that proceeds the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the “GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE.”*

The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc.

And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.*

Enoch the righteous wrote that God created an eighth day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one eon, etc, etc, and all who enter into the generation of the Light beings, are able to visit all those worlds that still exist in space-time, but not in our three dimensional time.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it. This is the true resurrection in which all from the previous cycle of universal activity, who still have the judgmental war raging within them, are cast back into the refining fires of physical life once again, in the eternal cycles of rebirths, or reincarnation in the physical manifestation.

Ecc 5:3
Isa 40:8
Exo 20:11

 

[6days]

And those 6 days, which Stripe believes were literal 24 hour days, were, according to his belief, all created in one literal 24 hour day.

You have a hard of understanding problem. For the 17th time (at least)... The word DAY in English / YOM in Hebrew, have a variety of meanings always understood by context.
Here is a test for you to see if you can understand the same word...but with different meanings, by context.
From Genesis 2, Youngs Literal Translation
3 *And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making.
4*These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;

Ok.... Are you able to understand the meaning by context?

 

[6days]

Seems like teaching Christians they can believe God has used evolution to create is Satan's waiting room.

I think it was about 10 years ago that PEW Research did a large survey of kids who grew up in Christian homes, but no longer attended church. There was a variety of reasons why so MANY drop out, but a large percentage of these kids lost faith / trust inerrancy of scripture when they were told that they could fit evolution and billions of years into Genesis. That 'teaching' lead them to doubt other scripture...(EX. Perhaps the virgin birth was just allegorical). These kids on average started tuning out the relevancy of Christianity by the 5th grade.

I forget the percentages but I think kids who were taught good apologetics on Genesis, and believed it, were about 30% more likely to be actively involved with a church as young adults.

 

[S-word]

6days wrote........You have a hard of understanding problem. For the 17th time (at least)... The word DAY in English / YOM in Hebrew, have a variety of meanings always understood by context.

S-word........It certainly does. God said to Adam in the DAY (YOM) that you eat of the fruit of the forbidden tree, in that DAY (YOM) you will die.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And he (ADAM) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as 'ONE DAY' in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: ’ON THE DAY' (YOM) that ye eat thereof ye shall die.’ For this reason he 31 did not complete the years of this DAY(YOM); for he died during it.

6days wrote........ Here is a test for you to see if you can understand the same word...but with different meanings, by context.
From Genesis 2, Youngs Literal Translation
3 *And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making.
4*These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;

Ok.... Are you able to understand the meaning by context?

S-word........Yep! The seventh DAY (YOM) of God's rest is ongoing and we are able to enter into his rest. Once God had prepared all for the making/creating of the universe, he rested allowing the processes of creation that he had prepared. to continue to evolve/expand.

God gave to you a brain in order that you might be able to understand HIM who has made himself manifest in the creation itself. Try using it son.

Romans 1:18-23King James Version (KJV)

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, etc.

The process for the creation of the universe which God had prepared before resting is still an ongoing process.

 

[6days]

God said to Adam in the DAY (YOM) that you eat of the fruit of the forbidden tree, in that DAY (YOM) you will die.

Remember... you said it yourself, CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
The word day here in Gen. 2:17 is not associated with a number... In scripture, and in the Hebrew language, when the word YOM / DAY is associated with a number...ie '40 days'...it means a literal day. Also it is not associated with a context word like "evening".... In scripture and in Hebrew, if the word YOM / DAY is associated with a context word, like 'evening' or 'morning',,, it always means a literal day.

In English... and in Hebrew we could say something like "back in the day"...or, "in the day, my baby is potty trained...". We know from context that is not a literal day. Context is important. Evolutionists often seem to have a good grasp of grammar and context... yet ignore rules of context and grammar when it comes to God's Word so they can insert secular opinions.

Genesis 2:17 ... Context tells us that God does not mean, Adam is going to physically die on that literal day. We can check elsewhere in scripture to find the same terminology... Like in Num. 26:65 Adam did die spiritually that day, but the context of the verse...and the Hebrew language tells us that Adam will begin to die physically. Youngs Literal Translation "and of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou dost not eat of it, for in the day of thine eating of it -- dying thou dost die."

Here is a test for you to see if you can understand the same word...but with different meanings, by context.
From Genesis 2, Youngs Literal Translation
3 *And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making.
4*These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;
Ok.... Are you able to understand the meaning by context?

S-word........Yep! The seventh DAY (YOM) of God's rest is ongoing

Sorry... but you failed the test. God rested...it is past tense.
Also, the Hebrew grammar demands a literal day when the word is associated with a number...ex "7th day"

 

[6days]

I agree with Moses, here..."made"

Hmmmmm.... Are you trying to draw a distinction between the words CREATED and MADE? (bara and asah?) If so, the words are used interchangeably numerous times in scripture.

 

[Nick M]

Is that like that: "Nick M Dano." from Hawaii Five-O?



Oh, wait, I've got two cop series mixed up...
My bad.


Never mind!

His username here is "random". Conveniently, his education is in language and pointed some stuff out here. He just hasn't been posting much the last few years.

 

[6days]

Its a conclusion based on factual evidence. 6 Days and a 6000 year old earth is just laughable, there is no other way to put it.

Here is how God put it..."For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy." Ex.20:11

Jesus connected humanity with "The beginning..." and with the foundations of the world.
"But 'God made them male and female' from the beginning of creation." Mk 10:6
The Greek word for “beginning” is arché.... This suggests an absolute beginning of everything. It contradicts the belief of old earthers who suggest Jesus really meant the beginning of humanity. Also see where Jesus mentioned humanity from the foundations of the world (Luke 11:45-52).... not 13 billion years later. Surely Jesus did not deliberately misrepresent when He created? Or...for further confirmation that Jesus taught humanity was from the beginning, he mentioned Satan "was a murderer from the beginning" John 8:44. Jesus did not use words lightly... He placed humanity (Adam and Eve) in existence at the dawn of creation.

So... Are the plain words of Jesus (and Moses) really laughable?
Jesus: "If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. (Gen.3:15) But since you don’t believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” John 5:46,47

 

[Rondonmonson]

Here is how God put it..."For in six days the LORD made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy." Ex.20:11

Jesus connected humanity with "The beginning..." and with the foundations of the world.
"But 'God made them male and female' from the beginning of creation." Mk 10:6
The Greek word for “beginning” is arché.... This suggests an absolute beginning of everything. It contradicts the belief of old earthers who suggest Jesus really meant the beginning of humanity. Also see where Jesus mentioned humanity from the foundations of the world (Luke 11:45-52).... not 13 billion years later. Surely Jesus did not deliberately misrepresent when He created? Or...for further confirmation that Jesus taught humanity was from the beginning, he mentioned Satan "was a murderer from the beginning" John 8:44. Jesus did not use words lightly... He placed humanity (Adam and Eve) in existence at the dawn of creation.

So... Are the plain words of Jesus (and Moses) really laughable?
Jesus: "If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. (Gen.3:15) But since you don’t believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” John 5:46,47

For in Six Yowm's..........Time periods.

When we get to heaven and you understand I was right, you wont even have to ask, when we change to our Spirit man and receive our new bodies all the things unknown will become know. Of course, with humility, I will will smile and say, here's a list of the things I was wrong about also.

I am just right on this one......

 

[6days]

For in Six Yowm's..........Time periods

Not possible.* God tells us 6 days. You deny scripture, grammar*and science.*
Your belief allows for millions of years of suffering, death and extinctions before sin , which destroys the Gospel. Physical death entered our world because of the sin of first Adam. Jesus would not have gone to the cross defeating death if it (death) existed before sin.

There is a long history of people arguing against the Biblical account starting with the Epicureans who wanted to add time...Peter argued against them in Scripture. Then... People started arguing that God created in an instant..... And now the past 150 years, people are again trying to add time to the creation account.

Here are some old arguments against those who didn't trust what God said.
John Calvin "Here the error of those is manifestly refuted, who maintain that the world was made in a moment. For it is too violent a cavil to contend that Moses distributes the work which God perfected at once into six days, for the mere purpose of conveying instruction. Let us rather conclude that God took the space of six days, for the purpose of accommodating his works to the capacity of men."
John Wesley "We are not to think but that God could have made the world in an instant: but he did it in six days, that he might shew himself a free agent, doing his own work, both in his own way, and in his own time; that his wisdom, power and goodness, might appear to us, and be meditated upon by us, the more distinctly; and that he might set us an example of working six days, and resting the seventh."

Martin Luther "When Moses writes that God created heaven and earth and whatever is in them in six days, then let this period continue to have been six days, and do not venture to devise any comment according to which six days were one day. But if you cannot understand how this could have been done in six days, then grant the Holy Spirit the honor of being more learned than you are. For you are to deal with Scripture in such a way that you bear in mind that God Himself says what is written. But since God is speaking, it is not fitting for you wantonly to turn His Word in the direction you wish to go."

 

[S-word]

For in Six Yowm's..........Time periods.

When we get to heaven and you understand I was right, you wont even have to ask, when we change to our Spirit man and receive our new bodies all the things unknown will become know. Of course, with humility, I will will smile and say, here's a list of the things I was wrong about also.

I am just right on this one......

If they cannot understand the evidence of the age of this earth that is staring them in the face, what makes you think they will ever understand the truths as revealed in scripture, which truths lead to eternal life?

 

[Interplanner]

To clarify, the acts of creation took 6 days. However, what the text means before that is another thing. There is no presuppositional reason why God cannot simply speak and the thing exists. However, 'tohu wa-bohu' means that something had been destroyed for its failure. We have very little information on that.

And we know that 15-20 times in Genesis a section title ("in the beginning the creation of heaven and earth") is not part of the action. Jude and 2 Peter 2 refer to some strange going ons, about which we have very little information.

 

[6days]

However, 'tohu wa-bohu' means that something had been destroyed for its failure.

False...However that is a common definition of people who try add billions of years into God's Word. And, your definition is common for people who say Genesis only describes a re-do.
Tohu wa-bohu is oorrectly translated by almost every major Bible translation. The initial state of creation was formless and void since God was going to create over the course of six days. The creation account explains how He formed and filled the earth during the six day creation. It was not a re-creation or just another beginning... It was the ultimate beginning. (We know this from a study of both the Hebrew...and the Greek words Jesus used about "the beginning")

 

[George Affleck]

If they cannot understand the evidence of the age of this earth that is staring them in the face, what makes you think they will ever understand the truths as revealed in scripture, which truths lead to eternal life?

Establishing the meaning of 'yom' from the context.

Outside of Genesis1;

The Hebrew word 'yom' occurs 359 times with a number. It always means a 24 hour day.
The Hebrew word 'yom' occurs 19 times together with either the word “morning” or “evening.” It always means a 24 hour day.
The Hebrew word 'yom' occurs 53 times together with the word “night”. It always means a 24 hour day.
The words “morning” and “evening” occur together, without “day” 38 times. They always mean a 24 hour day.

None of these modifiers are present in Gen 2:4 which you think, erroneously, we would interpret as a 24 hour day. We recognize that, in the absence of these context modifiers, it means a period other than a 24 hour day.

They are all present in Genesis 1 in reference to each of the six, consecutive days of creation.


If you cannot understand the evidence from God's Word that is staring you in the face...

 

[way 2 go]

For in Six Yowm's..........Time periods.

When we get to heaven and you understand I was right, you wont even have to ask, when we change to our Spirit man and receive our new bodies all the things unknown will become know. Of course, with humility, I will will smile and say, here's a list of the things I was wrong about also.

I am just right on this one......

you are so wrong.

Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

1 rotation of the earth = 1 day

 

[6days]

If they cannot understand the evidence of the age of this earth that is staring them in the face, what makes you think they will ever understand the truths as revealed in scripture, which truths lead to eternal life?

You have it a wee bit backwards. We understand the world around us from the inerrant truth of God. We don't / shouldn't try and believe popular opinion as our foundation.
The evidence of the world around us is consistent with God's Word.
* Soft dinosaur tissue and C-14 dates help confirm our young earth.
* C14 dates for coal and diamonds are easily understood in the creation and flood model.
* Biblical creationists do not need rescue devices to explain the existence of comets.
* The recession rate of the moon is consistent with Biblical timelines.
* The existence of our moon does not need hypothetical mars size asteroids crashing into earth.
* The decay rate of our genome is consistent with God's Word and a young earth...contradicting long ages.
* The fossil record is consistent with the global flood of 4500 years ago.
* Our rapidly decaying magnetic field / magnetic reversals are consistent with a young earth
* We understand why cosmologists are surprised when they talk about young appearance of Pluto and its moons.
* We understand why cosmologists are baffled to find quasars bigger than the cosmological principle / Big Bang allows for.
* We understand why old earthers invent rescue device explanations when they find mature galaxies in what they think is early universe.
* We don't need rely on pseudoscientific explanations such as faster than speed of light expansion, dark energy, dark matter etc.
The list can go on...and on

Science helps confirm the truth of Scripture and our young universe.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

you are so wrong.

Gen 1:5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.

1 rotation of the earth = 1 day

Cept the earth does not rotate.

It can stagger (reel) to and fro.

 

[1Mind1Spirit]

It can also be carried about with wind.

Ephesians 4:14 King James Version (KJV)
14*That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

 

[George Affleck]

Don't worry.
Dat stuff gonna be legal in your state soon, y'all!