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Originally Posted by graceandpeace
Hi Randy,
I just meant that what the new covenant reveals is that the old covenant cannot really be understood, until you come to Christ through the new, and it can cause confusion to someone that does not have the holy spirit to try to discern the revelation of God by starting in the old first.
That's all. It appears a contradiction to what the new covenant itself says..in other words.
Nick:
You have it exactly backwards, which is why all the denominations exist.
I don't think I do, and the reason the denominations exist, in my opinion is because they try to mix old covenant and new covenant; as if they are one and the same.
But, my point was about what it says here:
Hbr 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the
holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Hbr 10:20 By
a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us,
through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
When people do not understand the difference between the old and new covenants and that the old was only a ministration of death; and they likewise begin to mix life and death as if they can be mixed, confusion comes. This is why it is apparant as His word says to only read the OLD, through the eyes of knowing the NEW:
2 Cor 3:14 But their minds were blinded:
for until this day remaineth
the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which [vail] is done away in Christ.
According to God's word, you must come to Christ before you can rightly read the old covenant.
Now to this:
People say they need to be water baptised because the Bible says so. But you have to see who that was written to and why. It was written to Israel for the priesthood. That is just an example. We only have one baptism now, which is by the Holy Spirit into Christ.
The new covenant is a revelation...it grows over time. That is why we are told to grow in grace and in knowledge...you don't understand everything perfectly in an instance.
Water baptism is not against the promises of God, but is merely a physical tradition that is used to show the 'born again' experience. It tells the story, so to speak. Of course you do not need it to be saved, because no ritual is what saves to begin with..it is merely an example of the true baptism, just as the sabbath was a shadow of the true rest we have in Christ; just like the old circumcision was a shadow of what we now have in the true form, circumcision of the heart. God does not change..He gives us these things to point to a REALITY; and water baptism is just that; a shadow.
It was made for those whom have not yet come to Christ to get the picture of the true that was to come.
It has no power of itself.
But, what you should know is that ALL ot saints were baptised with the SAME spiritual baptism that we whom are now added go through:
I am ONLY speaking of those whom walked by FAITH..NOT FLESHLY ISRAEL:
1 Cr 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that
ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Cr 10:2 And were all
baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(Moses was used by God to give the fleshly race the stone law; but he himself was not under that form of law; he walked by faith, too.)
1Cr 10:3 And did
all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Cr 10:4 And did
all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
God does not change.
There is always that which is physical/shadow..and, then the spiritual reality follows.
We, as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Moses, and all the others of faith; were of the one true seed of Abraham, and that seed IS/WAS Christ.
