brewmama
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Funny you would say that when you ignore so much of what Paul writes, and misinterpret everything else.
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Funny you would say that when you ignore so much of what Paul writes, and misinterpret everything else.
brewmama
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Be specific about what you are asking. Does Paul say which of his doctrines were received differently from other doctrines, or how much? Does he say specifically what he discussed whenever he met the other Apostles and if it was new or differed? How about when that word is used elsewhere, as when Jesus is explaining parables?
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Your silly rhetoric does not bother me. It's just classic confusion.
Enjoy your "church".
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Please show us all the gospel of the grace of God without using Paul's writings. Thanks,
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Coming from someone as confused as you, I take that as high praise.
musterion
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That's what I'd like you to tell us: what aspects of Paul's teachings were a now-revealed secret (which is what musterion means), meaning they cannot be found anywhere prior to his epistles because God hadn't revealed them yet?
musterion
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Start with Romans 16:25, Christ preached according to the revelation of the secret. What do you think Paul meant? Given that something there was a secret that was now revealed, how did this new preaching of Christ according to that secret differ to the preaching about Christ that had already been going on?
Or Eph 3:8-9. What did fellowship according to this secret mean, and how was it different that the fellowship that already existed?
1Mind1Spirit
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That's easy.
The operation of God.
Yer problem is in thinking there is respect of persons in God's operation.
Hence your mishandling of the words direct and exclusive.:think:
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But there is. You are referring to disobedience of man or his transgressions, in which case, God is not a respect of persons.
brewmama
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Romans 16:25 (note) Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery (the truth that believing Jews and believing Gentiles are made fellow heirs, fellow members of the Body of Christ, and fellow partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel)which has been kept secret for long ages past,
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Ephesians 3:9 (note) and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God, who created all things; (Comment: Mystery = Jews and Gentiles in one body, the church.)
Not different, at least since the time of Cornelius in Acts 10. Why do you think it became such a problem with Judaizers wanting Christians to become Jews first?
musterion
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Then what was Paul given that was news?
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You're confused about that it means by "respecter of persons".
When God separated Israel from the nations, was He respecting persons?
1Mind1Spirit
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God's operation does not stop at revealing transgressions.
The operation never changes.
It is in different phases in the life of the individual.
As long as one is in an ism, Christ has not yet come to them.
1Mind1Spirit
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Avoid the subject; I understand your avoidance.You will one day find out.
The point that Paul makes with his "FOR there is no respect of person with God" is explained in the PRECEDING verses.
Paul is explaining how people are judged in the kingdom of God as established when the Jew came first.
Rom 2:5-13 KJV But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; (6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds: (7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: (8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, (9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; (10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: (11) For there is no respect of persons with God. (12) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (13) (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
During the dispensation of the grace of God, Jews do NOT come first.
NOTE: "For" used in this way means "Therefore" showing that it is talking about what came immediately before it.
1Mind1Spirit
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You said that that is what I was referring to.
No argument that you were trespassing.
1Mind1Spirit
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The operation of God did not stall at yer supposed dispensation of grace.:think:
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Think?? I am no dispensationalist!
There is only one dispensation of time and it is that "in the fullness of time everything will be summed up in Christ".
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So you think that the Jew still comes first?
Supposed dispensation of grace? See Eph 3
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