Drug Dealing and the Bible

[Nazaroo]

In your opinion would repentance require him to stop providing those drugs? Wouldn't that break the commandment "thou shalt not kill"?

Any doctor whose prognosis is a lifetime of insulin shots is a quack.

The reason is simple. Insulin is required to break down double-sugars. If you don't have them in your diet, you don't need insulin.

Follow the Biblical food laws, and avoid gluttony, and you won't get diabetes or obesity as symptoms (just desserts).


peace
Nazaroo

 

[Tyrathca]

Any doctor whose prognosis is a lifetime of insulin shots is a quack.

The reason is simple. Insulin is required to break down double-sugars. If you don't have them in your diet, you don't need insulin.

LOL! Your such an idiot... You have no idea what insulin is for. Insulin is a hormone whose main function is to trigger cells to draw in glucose from the blood. Without it blood glucose elevates dramatically, cells are starved and the liver thinks glucose is low so releases its stores. In type 1 diabetes this results in:

• Osmotic diuresis due to leakage of glucose into urine - basically they pee a lot and thus lose lots of fluid and electrolytes resulting in profound dehydration.
• The liver also releases fatty acids and ketones which can be used for energy in the absence of intracellular glucose, the problenm being that ketones are acidic thus profound insulin insufficiency will result in a diabetic ketoacidosis (my cousin had this, near death before the insulin, saline and potassium infusion saved his life).
• Many other complications not worth mentioning at the moment

Are you sure you aren't confusing insulin with amylase? This is a digestive enzyme realsed by both the pancreas and the parotids and whose main function is to break down polysaccharides. Insulin is not a digestive enzyme and is a a vital component of the regulation of multiple metabolic pathways.

Follow the Biblical food laws, and avoid gluttony, and you won't get diabetes or obesity as symptoms (just desserts).

Again your such an idiot..... I've told you this already and you can confirm it with a quick search of your own. Not all diabetes is due to diet. Type 2 is and type 1 is not. If my cousin had followed your biblical laws concerning food he would have still got diabetes. Sure eating healthy is good for you and will help avoid type 2 diabetes and obesity but it does not remove the need for treatment of type 1 diabetics.




So I guess the answer is yes, for people giving their children insulin for T1DM to get redemption (according to you) they should kill their child by withholding their vital mediciation. Even though there is a commandment which says thou shalt not kill.

 

[Nazaroo]

Not all diabetes is due to diet.

And whatever is not due to diet is caused by criminal neglegence. Which means those responsible are going to hell. That includes everyone from German drug companies to Coca-Cola Ltd. and the drug pushers too.


I don't buy into your medical theories for two reasons:

(1) Medicine is in too primitive a condition, and people are dishonest and stupid.

(2) Doctors are bought and controlled by the big pharmaceutical companies.

"Come here, and I will show you the Judgement of the Great Whore, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication:...Babylon the Great, Mother of Whores:...And I saw the 'woman' drunken with the blood of the martyrs and witnesses of Jesus. And the 'woman' you saw is that huge city, which reigns over the kings of the earth (Vatican, Jerusalem, Switzerland, your choice)...for all nations have drunk of the wine (again a very negative connotation for 'wine') of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth waxed rich by her...

Here plagues will come in a single day, Black Death, mourning, famine; she shall be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord who judges her. And the kings of the earth shall wail and lament when they see her burning. ...the merchants of the earth shall stand far off in fear.
Rejoice holy apostles, for God as avenged you upon her.
...for by her DRUG DEALING were ALL NATIONS deceived. (Rev. 18:23)
And in her was found the blood of prophets and holy ones, and all that were slain upon the earth." (Rev. 17-18)
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Drug dealers are going to hell, and it doesn't matter whether they have granted themselves licences or perverted justice to make their dealings "legal" in 100 countries. They are criminals, and Jesus on the Throne of Judgement isn't going to give a rat's *** about their paperwork, or lying excuses.

They will burn in the Lake of Fire as surely as the people they murdered have died unjustly.

 

[Tyrathca]

And whatever is not due to diet is caused by criminal neglegence. Which means those responsible are going to hell. That includes everyone from German drug companies to Coca-Cola Ltd. and the drug pushers too.

It sounds like you are blaming corporations for type 1 diabetes, could you please explain exactly HOW these corporations caused this disease? Remembering that most T1DM patients are young and previously healthy who have had little if any medication and that no link between it and vaccines (neither epidemiological or chronological link) has been detected by studies. You can't just claim this as truth and not back it up, a scientist who makes a claim would have to show the research and if you want to prove them wrong you need to match or better that standard.

I don't buy into your medical theories for two reasons:

(1) Medicine is in too primitive a condition, and people are dishonest and stupid.

In some areas yes, the body is extremely complex and there are many things we do not fully understand. However generally we are aware of this lack of understanding. That we do not understand everything is also NOT an indicator that we know nothing. Type 1 diabetes is fairly cut and dry obvious that it is due to insulin insufficiency due to islet cell destruction. THe research has identified the hormone insulin long ago, we have since identified which cells produce the hormone and that these cells are decline and then disapear in patients with T1DM, we also know that this disappearance is associated with invasion of the tissue with immune cells. We also know that a patient will DIE without insulin but will survive with it. The research is definitive on this condition, all we lack is what triggers of the immune response in the first place but even that we know some of what isn't involved and some of what is.

No body in medicine claims that we know everything. But generally we know what we know and we know what we don't know. You on the other hand know nothing, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT DIABETES IS!!!! Yet you have the gall to say you know what causes it? You'd win a nobel prize if you could prove it, no joke.

(2) Doctors are bought and controlled by the big pharmaceutical companies.

You obviously haven't met many doctors. Most hate drug representative (too many are dumb, annoying, deceptive, manipulative parasites. A few are nice people tho). Doctors also rarely receive funds directly from pharma and if a doctor does receive such funding and does research they have to disclose this "conflict of interest" or else they can have their entire studies credibility destroyed.

Are you also claiming I have been bought and controlled by the big pharma conspiracy? I've not only learnt this stuff i've SEEN it, i've seen patients recover from the brink of death (barely maintaining conciousness, blood turning acidic, massively hypovolemic) and then seen them recover and return to health with insulin. I've SEEN numerous other conditions cured too. And I've seen patients die because no one knows what to do to save them, because we know where the limits of medicine are.

You on the other hand have seen NOTHING, have read NONE of the research and have learnt NONE of the anatomy or physiology of the human body. You know NOTHING about diabetes or any other condition I suspect. You know NOTHING about doctors, or scientists or the standards of research. Yet you claim to know everything. This is pure arrogance. Your thoughts even appear to be bordering on persecutory delusions.

 

[TomO]

You on the other hand have seen NOTHING, have read NONE of the research and have learnt NONE of the anatomy or physiology of the human body. You know NOTHING about diabetes or any other condition I suspect. You know NOTHING about doctors, or scientists or the standards of research. Yet you claim to know everything. This is pure arrogance. Your thoughts even appear to be bordering on persecutory delusions.

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lain: Nazaroo....I make some jokes & poke fun but this is the truth: Any Lunkhead Gymrat Bodybuilder knows more about human physiology than you do.....your understanding of insulin shows that you have done absolutely no research into these matters at all.

BTW...Bodybuilders are not known for their appreciation of Doctors & the Medical community....and likewise I have my issues with the Institutions you decry....but your ignorance is just too glaring :nono:

 

[Granite]

Let's also remember plenty of doctors prefer to use or recommend holistic remedies (such as the one I go to) and they detest big pharma.

Nazaroo's really gone off the deep end. I'm curious as to why. If someone close to him was hurt or let down by big medicine, my sympathies...but something about this strikes me as too pathological to be anything less than personal.

Either that or the guy's simply crazy.

 

[Nazaroo]

Let's also remember plenty of doctors prefer to use or recommend holistic remedies (such as the one I go to) and they detest big pharma.

I'd class your friend then as a rare honest doctor.

Nazaroo's really gone off the deep end. I'm curious as to why. If someone close to him was hurt or let down by big medicine, my sympathies...but something about this strikes me as too pathological to be anything less than personal.

Its personal every time I see a teen that has been sucked in by a propaganda engine so entrenched into this culture, so diabolical, so contrived as to claim authority in opposition to parents, so plainly engineered and maintained for the express purpose of luring underage girls into prostitution, and to lure boys into drugs and porn and crime for the farming of any and all disposable income via parents and governments, that it is virtually impossible to compete with said attractions or deter or divert the teens in any way from a self-destructive course that will leave them permanently stupid, impoverished, or dead.

Try examining these photos openly posted by teens of themselves on Facebook:

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad253/Nazaroo/males-Jan2009-ScottsParty.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad253/Nazaroo/males-Jan2009-ScottsParty2.jpg

Most of these kids are under 18, and some are as young as 16.

Older dealers connected to organized crime, recruiters who are practicing prostitutes, are the people actively and aggressively going into high-schools with the cooperation of teachers who are paid off by and working in tandem with the mafia and bikers.

 

[Tyrathca]

I'd class your friend then as a rare honest doctor.

How many doctors do you know? I'm not going to be a doctor any time soon but do you think I'm dishonest and if so why?

Older dealers connected to organized crime, recruiters who are practicing prostitutes, are the people actively and aggressively going into high-schools with the cooperation of teachers who are paid off by and working in tandem with the mafia and bikers.

OK he really has gone of the deep end...
What has this got to do with medicine? Do you actually have any kids because this never happened in my school and there is no way this could occur without parents accidentally finding out. Plus you are claiming this happens all across the 1st world, not just the little old USA, so that is a massive organised conspiracy you're claiming.

 

[Nazaroo]

Alcohol is healthy? I've made no such claim.

But drinking alcohol in a responsible manner is not very dangerous.

Alcohol in drinks do serve a purpose though, the taste of wine and beer are largely determined by alcohol, in that way it serves as an aromatic compound.

I'd say this concession gives me the essential "win" in the argument over alcohol.

You've denied that alcohol has any nutritional or biological value. Excellent, and honest.

Yet you cling to some kind of cultural tradition (of men) or hedonistic baggage, i.e., the "responsible" use of alcoholic beverages.

By this I presume you mean either "drinking in moderation" or its 'ritual use' in a Bread & "Oinos" ('wine'?) ceremony instituted allegedly by Jesus at the Last Supper.



In response to this, I make the following points:


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(1) RE: "Drinking in Moderation" -

The New Testament (Paul, Peter, etc.) states "Be Sober!" nearly THIRTY TIMES, in about a half-dozen expressions and suggestions, and implications. To these exhortations, most North American Christians of every denomination respond by interpreting the instruction, plea, strong suggestion, abjuration, as:

"Drink moderately; Drink responsibly."
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Imagine if you will, if we were to interpret other similar pleas and instructions the same way:
The New Testament instructs us to:
"Flee Fornication! Avoid Sexual Immorality!"some 20 or 25 times. On the same logical basis we could interpret this as

"Fornicate moderately: Practice 'Safe Sex'.
Wear a condom. Get clear consent first.
Tell your partner you have herpes or tested positive for AIDS."
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Most Christians (even moderately drinking ones) probably have a problem with this hermeneutic and exegesis.

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(2) Ritual Use in Eucharistic Celebrations: Since your argument is 'responsible use', i.e., in quantities that are moderate and symbolic, i.e., as a small 'taste', or act of obediance/participation in Christian community, not gluttony or drunkeness, we can assume that the following would be acceptable on technical aspects:

"But using [insert drug of choice here] in a responsible manner is not very dangerous."

I start a club/religion/sect/organization which has a participatory symbolic ritual: We use small quantities of COCAINE, mixed with Meth-Amphetamine, mixed in a little grape-juice 'shooter'. It symbolizes our membership and participation in our religious organization. We do so openly, explaining that we never use more than 5 milligrams of cocaine, or 2 milligrams of 'meth' per person, we don't let outsiders participate, and we always advise our members to be 'modest', and sensible about consumption of our special symbolic "brew". In our country (or wherever), we satisfy the authorities that we always store our cocaine and meth in safe containers, that we practice good hygene, and that we don't let children get access to our storehouses of drugs.

What sort of message do you think this would carry to all outsiders in the communities where we live? What example or instructional value does this give to curious children? How will those who oppose us and critique our cultural and ritual practice interpret our "harmless" tradition?

What would Paul think of our innovation regarding a "Last Supper" style ritual for our group? Oh wait, I know; he already spoke to this issue, didn't he?

"...therefore, if something I do were to make my brother to fall into sin, I will not do it while the world is standing, lest I make my brother stumble and sin." (1st Cor. 8:13)
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The obvious question then comes to mind.

Many mainstream Christian groups, even large denominations, have come to understand that the New Testament recommends abstinence, not "moderation", with both alcohol, and sex, because this impedes the Gospel the least, when such abstinence is done in the right Spirit of charity and concern for weaker brothers, sisters, neighbours, and children.

Is it not likely, even very obvious, that something has gone terribly wrong in modern hermeneutics and exegesis, when either (a) hypocrisy is created in the selective interpretation of 'freedoms'? or (b) other formerly clear teachings become so significantly weakened (e.g. the position on fornication), that almost any behaviour is accepted?

Finally: What damage is done to the authority of the Bible, especially the New Testament, when churches can RE-define 'normal' and acceptable ethical behaviour over and above the teaching found in the NT itself? Isn't there a 'consistency' requirement for any NEW revelations or innovations? A backwards-compatibility if you will, for modern Christian doctrine and practice?

Or do we open the Bottomless Pit and let out every variation of behaviour that would formerly have been identified as "sin"?

We have in fact already seen this in some denominations today, with the approval of open homosexual relations, recreational alcohol and drug abuse, fornication and 'open-marriages', reckless selfishness and hedonism.

What will distinguish a "Christian" in the near future? Bingo gambling? Building-maintenance funds?

peace
Nazaroo

 

[Aner]

Naz -

Scripture is replete with admonitions to drink alcohol - Be Sober is a general command and it means DON'T GET BLASTED!! I am totally sober after having up to probably 4 beers/3 or 4 glasses of wine in an hour with a small amount of food. Each person simply has to know their limits.

I appreciate your heart for serving the Lord - since I know that is your sincere desire - however, you are laying on a command that simply is not from above and that God does not require.

I might point out one of my favorite texts in Deut 14:26

"and thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee; and thou shalt eat there before Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household. "

All right - I am off to sip some 18y Highland Park...

Father, thank-you for the creation that you have given us!

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving:


Best,
Aner

 

[koban]

Jesus drank wine. That's good enough for me.

Matthew 11:19The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

And Paul apparently disagreed with you regarding the usefulness of alcohol. Do you think he was wrong?

1 Timothy 5:23Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

 

[TomO]

Jesus drank wine. That's good enough for me.





And Paul apparently disagreed with you regarding the usefulness of alcohol. Do you think he was wrong?

Right....like we can trust you. You work for the Mafia and the Bikers. lain:

 

[Granite]

I'd class your friend then as a rare honest doctor.


Its personal every time I see a teen that has been sucked in by a propaganda engine so entrenched into this culture, so diabolical, so contrived as to claim authority in opposition to parents, so plainly engineered and maintained for the express purpose of luring underage girls into prostitution, and to lure boys into drugs and porn and crime for the farming of any and all disposable income via parents and governments, that it is virtually impossible to compete with said attractions or deter or divert the teens in any way from a self-destructive course that will leave them permanently stupid, impoverished, or dead.

Try examining these photos openly posted by teens of themselves on Facebook:

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad253/Nazaroo/males-Jan2009-ScottsParty.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad253/Nazaroo/males-Jan2009-ScottsParty2.jpg

Most of these kids are under 18, and some are as young as 16.

Older dealers connected to organized crime, recruiters who are practicing prostitutes, are the people actively and aggressively going into high-schools with the cooperation of teachers who are paid off by and working in tandem with the mafia and bikers.

Very Henry Makow of you. Paranoid, in other words.

Do you troll Facebook looking for pictures of kids acting stupidly?

 

[Nazaroo]

Very Henry Makow of you. Paranoid, in other words.

Do you troll Facebook looking for pictures of kids acting stupidly?

Only after I've lost a son and a daughter to the drug culture/industry, and when I'm looking for evidence to involve the police in rescuing underage teens from the hands of fiends.

The losses parents suffer are not 'paranoia'. They are real lives of young persons who need help, and whose futures are being literally destroyed.

Sorry, there is no neutral position here.

peace
Nazaroo

 

[Nazaroo]

Naz -

Scripture is replete with admonitions to drink alcohol - Be Sober is a general command and it means DON'T GET BLASTED!! I am totally sober after having up to probably 4 beers/3 or 4 glasses of wine in an hour with a small amount of food. Each person simply has to know their limits.

Your response leaves me speechless. Not for want of a definitive answer, but because you are living proof of the corruption I have been talking about here.

Four beers is not drinking for the purpose of temperance or thirst. Its to get high. Dump the pretense, and have just one more beer, after all whose counting that precisely?

I appreciate your heart for serving the Lord - since I know that is your sincere desire -

however, you are laying on a command that simply is not from above and that God does not require.

Admitting the first part of this condemns your own excuse-making in the second part.

I might point out one of my favorite texts in Deut 14:26

"and thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thy soul desireth, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee; and thou shalt eat there before Jehovah thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thy household. "

All right - I am off to sip some 18y Highland Park...

Father, thank-you for the creation that you have given us!

4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving:


Best,
Aner

Deuteronomy was (re)written by corrupt priests after the time of Samuel's sons. It was conveniently "found" by a priest rebuilding the temple after the Babylonian Captivity. These racists then dumped their Babylonian wives and children into the wilderness to fend for themselves, in spite of the Commandment of God, and the teaching of Christ:

"What God has joined together let no person separate!"
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What Ezra and Nehemiah did was a worse sin than the first, that of intermarrying with other peoples. The solution for infidelity to the LORD is not racism, its a Saviour, Redeemer and teacher of Truth.

for whatsoever thy soul desireth,...or for whatsoever thy soul asketh of thee;

Does this include table-dances, as well as hard liquor? Why not toot a little cocaine off some hooker's behind, or get some oral action under the desk of the Oval Office while we are at it? That's not technically "sex" according to a president of the USA.

If hard liquor is counted as fair game, how do we determine just what ISN'T allowed?

Do you seriously expect to apply this dubious translation of an OLD TESTAMENT 'scripture' to the Christian Era in the very LAST DAYS, when the Church is in tribulation, and the earth is about to be destroyed?

I guess there's still time for some porn movies, according to your timetable of events.
Lets go to DisneyWorld too, and stop by Vegas for some all-night gambling of whatever cash the Lord has entrusted you with.

Maybe after that, you can return to the Father as a repentant prodigal son.

peace,
Nazaroo

 

[Granite]

Only after I've lost a son and a daughter to the drug culture/industry, and when I'm looking for evidence to involve the police in rescuing underage teens from the hands of fiends.

The losses parents suffer are not 'paranoia'. They are real lives of young persons who need help, and whose futures are being literally destroyed.

Sorry, there is no neutral position here.

peace
Nazaroo

I see. Well, as I said yesterday and suspected, this is a personal issue for you, making it next to impossible for you to be reasonable or objective. This makes sense.

Nazaroo, a few points to make here. First of all, I'm very sorry for your loss.

Second, it is quite possible to drink in moderation. That your children did not exercise moderation or self-control is tragic, but it does not justify your new approach to the matter (although your attitude isn't surprising, all things considered).

Third, going completely off the deep end and ranting about how folks are going to hell would be pathetic if it didn't come from the tremendous pain you're feeling. That said, your anger is misplaced and totally misdirected. No one on TOL contributed to your loss. No one on TOL is guilty of any involvement in your situation. Spewing hatred at them will never make you feel better (to say nothing of the fact that your doctrine is completely warped and almost appears to be willfully ugly and vicious as possible).

Fourth, what you're doing online could be badly misconstrued, and I suspect you have already encountered futility on this mission of yours, and will continue to do so. Stop wasting your time. Tend to yourself, and to your own house.

You're obviously hurting and I am extremely sorry for that, but none of what you're doing appears to be helping you or providing you what you need.

Please look after yourself.

 

[Nazaroo]

I see. Well, as I said yesterday and suspected, this is a personal issue for you, making it next to impossible for you to be reasonable or objective. This makes sense.

Nazaroo, a few points to make here. First of all, I'm very sorry for your loss.

Sometimes personal loss helps a person make a reliable commitment to an important truth.

Thanks for your sympathy.

However, a few points of my own will show that your interpretation of events is misplaced:

(1) My children were not victims of the pharmaceutical industry, except perhaps indirectly, since it is run by Nazis and so is the illegal drug industry. Just check the tattoos on any biker.

(2) I have held the same view of both the pharmaceutical industry, and also about drinking, for over 35 years, the approximate length of time that I have been a Nazarite. (see Numbers ch.6).

(3) A check of my postings on drugs and drinking for the last 20 years on the internet will show the exact same beliefs, doctrines and enthusiasm that I have shown in this thread. My current circumstances have not affected my convictions in the least, except to galvanize them, if they weren't already galvanized by 35 years of practicing Nazarite Law, and reading reports of pharmaceutical industry corruption and tragedy.

(4) My 'fanatical' position has been constant for as long as I have been a Christian.

(5) My belief in the current extent and depth of corruption and involvement of organized crime in high-schools has only been confirmed by recent news reports, and not my family experience.

(6) I have believed unrepentant criminals are going to hell ever since I abandoned universalism as incompatible with Holy Scripture, about 20 years ago.

Second, it is quite possible to drink in moderation. That your children did not exercise moderation or self-control is tragic, but it does not justify your new approach to the matter (although your attitude isn't surprising, all things considered).

I don't doubt that it is possible for some people, who are not susceptible to binge-drinking, loss of self-control, and emotional/psychological weaknesses to drink moderately and 'semi-responsibly', at least temporarily, even for what seem like extended periods. But when such people do succumb to temptation and circumstance, they are as sick and dangerous as any weaker person.

I have no "new" approach to the matter. Regarding drinking, I am the same yesterday, today and tommorrow.

For what its worth, my attitudes about drugs and drinking stem from events in the distant past, since most of my childhood and school friends are dead: they died between the ages of about 15 to 25, almost always because of drinking and drugs, directly or indirectly. This fact of history hardened my stand against drugs and drinking many many years ago.

I see no reason or evidence which would persuade me to re-evaluate my position.

Third, going completely off the deep end and ranting about how folks are going to hell would be pathetic if it didn't come from the tremendous pain you're feeling. That said, your anger is misplaced and totally misdirected. No one on TOL contributed to your loss. No one on TOL is guilty of any involvement in your situation.

No one says they did, and no one says they didn't.

Who knows what crimes and misdemeanors TOL patrons are guilty of. If not with my children, perhaps with others. Perhaps not. That is not my concern unless the Lord puts me in a position of knowledge and power to judge them for their crimes.

I hold no anger toward TOL readers, since I know not who any of them are. Your accusation is what is actually misplaced.

Spewing hatred at them will never make you feel better (to say nothing of the fact that your doctrine is completely warped and almost appears to be willfully ugly and vicious as possible).

This coming from a professed atheist/agnostic/anti-Christian. Perhaps this is then a compliment.

Your opinion is noted and respected as an intentional expression given by an advertised advocate of alternative doctrines.

Fourth, what you're doing online could be badly misconstrued, and I suspect you have already encountered futility on this mission of yours, and will continue to do so. Stop wasting your time. Tend to yourself, and to your own house.

You're obviously hurting and I am extremely sorry for that, but none of what you're doing appears to be helping you or providing you what you need.

Please look after yourself.

Thanks for your sentiments and friendly concern.

However, its not about "winning". Its about what is true, and what is right, and the consequences must come second. I will accept the consequences for my doctrinal teaching.

I am ready to face Jesus as Judge over this issue, and am confident that I will be found sincere, and for the most part correct, even if off on a few details.

peace
Nazaroo

 

[Granite]

Word to the wise: never give a Christian excuse to brag.

Lesson learned.

Naz, I'll respond in detail later, but arrogance doesn't become you. Off your high horse, buddy, how 'bout you join the rest of we little people.

 

[Tyrathca]

(1) My children were not victims of the pharmaceutical industry, except perhaps indirectly, since it is run by Nazis and so is the illegal drug industry. Just check the tattoos on any biker.

Could you explain further what these tattoos show and how this relates to nazis and billion dollar multinational pharmaceutical companies?

(5) My belief in the current extent and depth of corruption and involvement of organized crime in high-schools has only been confirmed by recent news reports, and not my family experience.

What news reports would these be? What are they saying? Do they give any special messages to you? Are you sure you aren't reading to much into it? How do you know these news reports are accurate if you have no direct experience?

A not to many years ago I was still in highschool and I can confidently say this was not occuring at my school (if they were they were doing a very bad job of it).

I don't doubt that it is possible for some people, who are not susceptible to binge-drinking, loss of self-control, and emotional/psychological weaknesses to drink moderately and 'semi-responsibly', at least temporarily, even for what seem like extended periods. But when such people do succumb to temptation and circumstance, they are as sick and dangerous as any weaker person.

Then how come most people drink socially but most people are not alcoholics. Sure there are many who abuse alcohol but you are taking it to an unjustifiable extreme.

I hold no anger toward TOL readers, since I know not who any of them are. Your accusation is what is actually misplaced.

Could have fooled me, I was under the impression you at least had a siginificant dislike of me seeing as you hoped I would be kicked out of my university course.

 

[The Berean]

Right....like we can trust you. You work for the Mafia and the Bikers. lain:

Tom, I thought the Mafia didn't exist? :idunno:

What are you talking about? There is no such thing as the "Mafia"......it doesn't exist.

Just a bunch of lies told to defame honest hardworking Italians like myself.