augustine1939
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Is the doctrine of original sin doctrinal? or just theological speculation.
ECT does the bible teach original sin?
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exminister
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please explain your understanding of "original sin".
augustine1939
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That as result of adam eating from the apple, all humans(after adam) inherit a sinful nature.
Christ was foreordained as the Lamb of God before the foundation of the world.
Humans were designed from the beginning with a mind that was not subject to God.
Why?
Because humans are incomplete without God's Spirit. We need seven senses instead of just six.
augustine1939
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"Humans were designed from the beginning with a mind that was not subject to God." does this include Adam ?
augustine1939
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"Humans were designed from the beginning with a mind that was not subject to God." does this include Adam ?
augustine1939
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That as result of adam eating from the apple, all humans(after adam) inherit a sinful nature.
exminister
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Do all men sin?
Romans 5
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
And the Bible says nothing about an apple.
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life.
And the Bible says nothing about an apple.
Adam was human and it is perfectly natural for humans to make mistakes. Disobeying God is a mistake.
Interplanner
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The Romans passage is speaking about the account standing of all men since Adam; what he did is imputed to all. In everyday experience, not all people are as bad as they could be, but all people could be very evil. But the Gospel according to Romans about imputation is not about the everyday experience. It is about sin as a debt. Not only what we do/think but our account status since Adam. God's own righteousness must be credited for any imperfection and that is what has transpired to be offered through the Gospel.
Bradley D
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The sin was not eating a apple (metaphor) but wanting to be like God.
"you will be like God, knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:5).
Once humankind became aware through conscience what they knew to be right and wrong. They have quite often chosen wrong. Which is a continued human problem today. Many professed Christian's consciences are deadened by evil today.
"you will be like God, knowing good and evil" (Genesis 3:5).
Once humankind became aware through conscience what they knew to be right and wrong. They have quite often chosen wrong. Which is a continued human problem today. Many professed Christian's consciences are deadened by evil today.
themuzicman
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To understand original sin, one must understand the consequence of the original sin.
Nowhere in Genesis 3 does God say that Adam's physical nature change. God DOES say:
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE) was just that: the way to the knowledge of good and evil, or, as Paul refers to it, Law.
So, let's see how Paul speaks about sin and death:
Notice that Paul states (v9) that he was once alive apart from the law. This does not indicate a physical passing of a nature that automatically condemns one to death, but rather a development in human being that, when we come to understand law, good and evil, that it produces sin and death (v8,10-12)
So, when we look at Romans 5:
We find that the knowledge of good and evil entered through Adam's sin, and death through sin, but we also see that each man dies because of his own sin, because the knowledge of good and evil comes to all men.
(Of course, Paul is speaking generally and not absolutely about "all." For any who do not mature to the knowledge of good and evil, the law isn't applied:
So, the idea of original sin has foundation in Scripture, but the idea that this is passed down through physical childbirth, and all are conceived as condemned because of sin is not.
Nowhere in Genesis 3 does God say that Adam's physical nature change. God DOES say:
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil (TKGE) was just that: the way to the knowledge of good and evil, or, as Paul refers to it, Law.
So, let's see how Paul speaks about sin and death:
Notice that Paul states (v9) that he was once alive apart from the law. This does not indicate a physical passing of a nature that automatically condemns one to death, but rather a development in human being that, when we come to understand law, good and evil, that it produces sin and death (v8,10-12)
So, when we look at Romans 5:
We find that the knowledge of good and evil entered through Adam's sin, and death through sin, but we also see that each man dies because of his own sin, because the knowledge of good and evil comes to all men.
(Of course, Paul is speaking generally and not absolutely about "all." For any who do not mature to the knowledge of good and evil, the law isn't applied:
So, the idea of original sin has foundation in Scripture, but the idea that this is passed down through physical childbirth, and all are conceived as condemned because of sin is not.
Disobeying God is sin regardless of the motivation.
genuineoriginal
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Original sin claims that all men bear the iniquity of our forefather Adam.
God says this is not so.
Ezekiel 18:20 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. |
He did not eat an apple. You, too much TV.
The act of pride and disobedience was man's fall into sinfulness and death. The concept of 'original sin' is a Catholic misnomer. Jesus washed away this 'original' sin and has offered a way to redemption.
You are right enough to thank. The deal here is Satan wanted to be like God. Adam wanted to be independent from God, and God obliged.
Man is dead while he lives, THAT is his dilemma
augustine1939
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yes all men do sin
Galatians 2:20 KJV - no dilemma there