Does a Jew need to prove that he is a Jew? Answer: No.
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It seems like Hasidic Judaism is authentic Jewish practice to me. I see different kinds of Jews and it reminds me of different Christian denominations, some of them totally off the mark when it comes to their beliefs.
I encourage you to study the Torah, or the TaNaK, and become a Jew. Obey, observe, God's Commandments, and join with the Jewish People, even the Nation of Israel.
Incorrect.
We reject that which is not of God. Consider Jesus as a demigod in this, divinity, deity.
That's for God to decide. God will save who he chooses
I have much deep respect for Judaism. I believe that Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism. I remember hearing Rosalind Moss tell her story about her journey from Judaism to protestantism to finally Catholicism. One thing she said always stuck in my mind: The first time she walked into a Catholic Church she said to herself, this is a synagogue, except with Christ. That sentence has always stuck with me. (More)
And why shouldn't it be! We carry on many Jewish traditions. At Mass we pray:
Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation,
for through your goodness we have received
the bread we offer you:
fruit of the earth and work of human hands,
it will become for us the bread of life.
Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation,
for through your goodness we have received
the wine we offer you:
fruit of the vine and work of human hands,
it will become our spiritual drink.
Thats not in the Bible, but I am sure you recognize it, maybe phrased a little different.
We have a tabernacle just like you. But while yours holds the written Word, ours holds the Word become flesh:
Authentic Christianity is very Jewish in many ways. Its nothing like what most American Jews think of when they think of Christians. Its nothing like the hokey small town preacher waving a Bible around in a little church. .
I am a former Christian, an Ex-Christian, not Protestant or Catholic, and not Catholic. The Lutheran Church we meet in here in Tacoma, Washington, our Synagogue for now, still has idols.I have much deep respect for Judaism. I believe that Catholicism is the fulfillment of Judaism. I remember hearing Rosalind Moss tell her story about her journey from Judaism to protestantism to finally Catholicism. One thing she said always stuck in my mind: The first time she walked into a Catholic Church she said to herself, this is a synagogue, except with Christ. That sentence has always stuck with me.
And why shouldn't it be! We carry on many Jewish traditions. At Mass we pray:
Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation,
for through your goodness we have received
the bread we offer you:
fruit of the earth and work of human hands,
it will become for us the bread of life.
Blessed are you, Lord God of all creation,
for through your goodness we have received
the wine we offer you:
fruit of the vine and work of human hands,
it will become our spiritual drink.
Thats not in the Bible, but I am sure you recognize it, maybe phrased a little different.
We have a tabernacle just like you. But while yours holds the written Word, ours holds the Word become flesh:
Authentic Christianity is very Jewish in many ways. Its nothing like what most American Jews think of when they think of Christians. Its nothing like the hokey small town preacher waving a Bible around in a little church. .
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You reject Jesus as God.
Therefore, you have only eternal death.
Simple Biblical truth...
Idols. Well, thats a whole other topic.
Dude, thats over the top. God will save who HE decides to save. I am sure there will be Jews in heaven and Christians in hell and who knows what else.
Apple7
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Tell that to the prophets who penned the scriptures...
I am not going to argue this with you in this gentleman's thread. God will save who he pleases. Thats all there is to it.
Jesus is the Son of God. I do not see anything that I want to reject, nor do I have a reason to reject anything.
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Any advice coming from someone who worships Mary...I always take with a grain of salt...
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Lutherans are not Protestants and Catholics and Lutherans have had idols.
I grew up Plymouth Brethren once I learned we were Brethren. Not Protestants and not a denomination, just brothers in Christ or brethren, Bible Church, Chapel, Fellowship. A Citizen of The United States of America. Plymouth Brethren in The United States of America. Plymouth, England. I have not been to England. I am now a Jew, of Israel. Israel and the United States of America. Not Canada or Mexico. I do not know if I have been to anywhere else in the Americas. I have never been to Israel.
No. Not so. I disagree. I do not believe that. That is not the case.
I'd be happy to discuss this issue with you. The commandment about “graven images” is one of the most misunderstood scriptures. Consider Exodus 25: 18-19: “And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends.” Here, God is commanding that images be made!
So is God contradicting himself? First he says don’t make a graven image, and then he orders graven images to be made? No, he is not contradicting himself. The problem is that folks have misinterpreted the words “graven image.”
According to Strong’s Concordance, the original Hebrew words that were translated into “graven image” referred to idols. Of course, we know that an idol is a false god, or something that you place above God. Since the Cheribum are not false Gods, there is no contradiction.
Therefore, statues in Catholic Churches are not a violation of the commandment either. They are not idols, because they are not false Gods. My Church has a statue of an angel, just like God commanded the Israelites to make. We have a statue of Jesus, who is CERTAINLY not a false God. We have statues of saints because they are heroes of the faith, not gods - just like America has statues of its heroes – Washington, Lincoln, etc. – and those are not idols either.
Bottom line: The commandments forbid images of false idols or false gods, but there is nothing wrong with beautiful artwork of Jesus, Mary, or angels, whether that artwork be paintings, statues, or whatever.
Now, here is some "official" theology on the subject:
IV. "YOU SHALL NOT MAKE FOR YOURSELF A GRAVEN IMAGE . . ."
2129 The divine injunction included the prohibition of every representation of God by the hand of man. Deuteronomy explains: "Since you saw no form on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, beware lest you act corruptly by making a graven image for yourselves, in the form of any figure. . . . " 66 It is the absolutely transcendent God who revealed himself to Israel. "He is the all," but at the same time "he is greater than all his works." 67 He is "the author of beauty." 68
2130 Nevertheless, already in the Old Testament, God ordained or permitted the making of images that pointed symbolically toward salvation by the incarnate Word: so it was with the bronze serpent, the ark of the covenant, and the cherubim. 69
2131 Basing itself on the mystery of the incarnate Word, the seventh ecumenical council at Nicaea (787) justified against the iconoclasts the veneration of icons - of Christ, but also of the Mother of God, the angels, and all the saints. By becoming incarnate, the Son of God introduced a new "economy" of images.
2132 The Christian veneration of images is not contrary to the first commandment which proscribes idols. Indeed, "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," and "whoever venerates an image venerates the person portrayed in it." 70 The honor paid to sacred images is a "respectful veneration," not the adoration due to God alone:
Religious worship is not directed to images in themselves, considered as mere things, but under their distinctive aspect as images leading us on to God incarnate. The movement toward the image does not terminate in it as image, but tends toward that whose image it is. 71
66 Deut 4:15-16.
67 Sir 43:27-28.
68 Wis 13:3.
69 Cf. Num 21:4-9; Wis 16:5-14; Jn 3:14-15; Ex 25:10-22; 1 Kings 6:23-28; 7:23-26.
70 St. Basil, De Spiritu Sancto 18,45
G 32,149C; Council of Nicaea II: DS 601; cf. Council of Trent: DS 1821-1825; Vatican Council II: SC 126; LG 67.71 St. Thomas Aquinas, STh II-II,81,3 ad 3.
You're pathetically ignorant