Doctrine of Unconditional Election

beloved57

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I am glad I chose to believe so God would "shine the light of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ" to me. (2 Cor 4:6)
From the beginning, God knew that it would take belief of the truth and sanctification of the Spirit for me to be saved.

Are we on earth able to distinguish the "chosen" from the "unchosen"?
In the scripture, one believes because God chose them to believe. He first Loved them from everlasting, chose them in Christ, Christ came in time and put away their sins, and in time the Spirit comes to the blood washed sinner, gives them Spiritual life, sets them apart unto belief of the Truth. 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Paul thanks God for their belief of the Truth, not the sinner. Paul knew it was God that caused their belief of the Truth. Whereas in your beliefs you as you just said, its you who made the decision to believe, and then your god responded to you.
 

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Whereas in your beliefs you as you just said, its you who made the decision to believe, and then your god responded to you.

No.

The decision to believe is a RESPONSE to God giving His Son. GOD is the first mover, not man.
 

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I gave my understanding of the Truth in post 121,

Your understanding is wrong.

Lean not on your own understanding.

on how and why one comes to believe the Truth. God is to be Thanked !

For making it possible for men to respond to the gospel, yes.

That's an entirely different matter than a person believing as a response to the gospel.

There's two pies here. You're claiming they're the same pie.

God is responsible for making the first pie, providing salvation.

Man is responsible for making the second pie, responding to that offer of salvation.

Just because man responds to the gospel doesn't make him responsible for the first pie.
 

Hoping

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In the scripture, one believes because God chose them to believe. He first Loved them from everlasting, chose them in Christ, Christ came in time and put away their sins, and in time the Spirit comes to the blood washed sinner, gives them Spiritual life, sets them apart unto belief of the Truth. 2 Thess 2:13
How does scripture say they were "blood washed"?
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Paul thanks God for their belief of the Truth, not the sinner. Paul knew it was God that caused their belief of the Truth. Whereas in your beliefs you as you just said, its you who made the decision to believe, and then your god responded to you.
If they didn't believe, they won't be saved.
They had to do something for their own good.
There will be no unbelievers in heaven.
 
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beloved57

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How does scripture say they were "blood washed"?

If they didn't believe, they won't be saved.
They had to do something for their own good.
There will be no unbelievers in heaven.
They wouldnt believe if they werent saved. When God saves an individual, then they believe, thats why Paul Thanked God for them believing the Truth.
 

Hoping

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They wouldnt believe if they werent saved. When God saves an individual, then they believe, thats why Paul Thanked God for them believing the Truth.
You have the horse pushing the cart.
Faith cometh by hearing, hearing from one with the gospel.
According to you, neither hearing nor faith are necessary for salvation.
"God just picks us at random." as per your POV
 

Bradley D

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They wouldnt believe if they werent saved. When God saves an individual, then they believe, thats why Paul Thanked God for them believing the Truth.
Believing comes first!

"They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household” (Acts 16:31).
 

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So one does not know they are saved till the final judgement?
That is correct.
Like Peter said..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
Judgement will begin with us.
If we were already "saved" what would be the point of Peter's message?
 

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That is correct.
Like Peter said..."For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
Judgement will begin with us.
If we were already "saved" what would be the point of Peter's message?

Did you notice that Peter is speaking to Jews?

"Enduring to the end" was the very thing Christ taught to the twelve, which He commanded whom to teach to the world.

Paul, on the other hand, says this:

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,not of works, lest anyone should boast.For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone,in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord,in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit. - Ephesians 2:1-22 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians2:1-22&version=NKJV

That doesn't sound like we have to wait until judgement day to be saved. That sounds like we're already saved.

It only makes sense if Peter and Paul are speaking to two different groups under two different dispensations.

Things that differ are not the same.
 
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