Do some of the Scriptural Truths offend you?

JudgeRightly

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All I've ever been saying is that ... since Jesus Christ was human as well as God, He wasn't in heaven prior to da Incarnation.

Yes, He was. He has existed for all of eternity, because He's God.

If he wasn't God, then He would be a liar, and not trustworthy at all.

But He IS God, thus He has always existed.

For the 1000th time ... do you understand?

I understand what you're saying just fine. I've understood it just fine.

But it's wrong. It goes against what the Bible says.

Repeating what goes against the Bible thousands of times isn't going to suddenly make it not go against what the Bible says.

You need to internalize Romans 3:4 and 2 Timothy 3:16-17, while simultaneously recognizing that you are a man. You do not have authority over Scripture.
 

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Jacob does not mean Israel.
Jacob's name was changed.🤷‍♂️
I'm not cosigning Dougcho, just sayin'.

Israel is Jacob. Figuratively and literally.

There's nothing wrong with saying "Jacob, meaning Israel."

The Time of Jacob's Trouble.
The Tribulation of Israel.

It's the same thing.
 

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I don't advise for you to keep lookin' for a kingdom that comes with observation.
But do whatever floats yer boat.

The kingdom hasn't come yet.

If you think it has, Jesus warned about people like you.

“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened. “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; ‘Look, in the inner rooms!’ do not believe For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer near. So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Long story short: No, Christ has not returned to establish His Kingdom, the Tribulation hasn't happened, and Daniel's final week has not come to pass.
 

1Mind1Spirit

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Just stopped by to say howdy. I fear Tambora is gone. Has anybody heard from her? Put this in a more appropriate place if ya like, JR. I miss Sissy.
 

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Where, oh where, does it say that
Jesus Christ (fully man, fully God)
was in heaven before the Incarnation?
Try saying it a bit differently. People are looking for you to say: "Jesus was God prior to incarnation, He became flesh, both God and man."
They are looking for a clarity statement.
 

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Where, oh where, does it say that Jesus Christ (fully man, fully God) was in heaven before the Incarnation?

Oh, I don't know, how about passages like these, for starters...:

Micah 5:2
John 1:1-3, 14-15, 18; 3:13, 16; 8:58; 17:3, 5
1 Corinthians 10:1-5
Philippians 2:5-8
Colossians 1:15-16
Hebrews 1:2-3
1 John 1:1-3

Oh, in case that wasn't enough, see also https://kgov.com/deity.
 
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